Rebirth 99 to become a car giant.
Chapter 209 A Bold Proposal, Cao Yang Confronts Confucians
Chapter 209 A very bold proposal, Cao Yang’s tongue-in-cheek battle with the Confucian scholars
Any engine manufacturer will not be responsible for the production of all parts by itself.
There are specialties in the industry, and some small parts may look simple, but the production process is very complicated.
For example, parts such as valve springs and spark plugs are not very valuable, but their production is quite complicated.
It's obviously unrealistic if you do it all yourself.
As long as the overall layout of the engine is designed in-house, non-core parts can be purchased outsourced.
Whether it is domestic manufacturers or international parts giants, they are still willing to provide parts in this regard.
Of course, if you have to use parts from manufacturers such as Bosch and Denso, the price will definitely be more expensive.
Therefore, in terms of large items, Cao Yang is planning to arrange for Nanshan to produce them himself.
"What Mr. Liang said makes sense. We at Nanshan are willing to provide engines for F6 and will go all out to promote the engine project in the next year."
When Cao Yang said this, Ji Hua and Pan Jinxing couldn't say anything even if they had objections.
You can't try to undermine your boss in front of your customers, right?
No matter how low your emotional intelligence is, it won't be this low.
"Mr. Cao, Nanshan can produce world-leading gearboxes, and I believe it can also produce world-leading engines."
"I can promise that the engines and gearboxes of F6 models will always be purchased from Nanshan in the future."
"Of course, after all, the price of our F6 is incomparable with that of the Accord, so we ask for Nanshan's support for the cost."
Wang Fu felt relieved when he saw that Cao Yang agreed to take the order.
However, he also restricted the cooperation with the F6 model in a very stupid way.
He doesn't want to commit to cooperation with other models now.
After all, if BYD wants to build cars, it will definitely produce its own engines in the future.
In terms of models, there will not be only one model, F6.
Cao Yang didn't have much opinion on this.
But any car company that is pursuing something a little bit cannot always buy engines from outside.
After all, in the traditional automobile era, the engine was the most important component of a vehicle.
There is no one of that kind.
For example, Yangcheng Honda claims to buy an engine and get a car for free.
It fully illustrates the importance of the engine and the high level of other people's engines.
"Nanshan's products have always been competitive in terms of QCD. Please rest assured, Mr. Wang."
"However, what you previously studied was the 2.4L inline four-cylinder naturally aspirated engine used in the Accord. I have some new ideas in this regard."
When Cao Yang said this, Wang Fu and Liang Chuanqing looked at him with great interest.
It’s good to have ideas.
I’m afraid Nanshan doesn’t have any ideas.
"Mr. Cao, the turbocharged engine uses exhaust gas to push the pump wheel to rotate at high speed, driving the coaxial turbine to rotate at high speed. Since the turbine has a certain inertia, there is a certain lag in theory. Of course, small inertia turbines are now commonly used. This kind of The hysteresis is not obvious, but in terms of power response, it is still half a beat slower, and the car will not shift when you step on it lightly."
"This problem seems to have no solution."
"Will it become a point of complaint from consumers and competitors in the future?"
Although his heart was already moved, Liang Chuanqing was still a little worried.
"Mr. Liang's statement is actually what many people say is that the acceleration curve of a naturally aspirated engine is linear, while turbocharging is curved, so there is lag in the turbine at low speeds."
"In fact, naturally aspirated engines are not linear. At high speeds, the air intake effect of self-aspirated engines is poor. The way to solve the problem is to use variable valve timing and lift technology to increase the valve opening time at high speeds. , and the lift enlarges the opening area to continue to increase the air intake volume.”
"Such as Honda's VTEC, Nissan VVEL, etc.? In fact, when the engine speed is above 5500 rpm and the lift is turned on, the feeling is abrupt and like a chicken blood. Is this called linear and smooth?"
"Turbocharged engines are less effective at low speeds, but self-priming engines are less effective at high speeds."
"At that point, everyone will just be talking nonsense."
"Many times, turbo lag is caused by a mismatch between the engine and the transmission, resulting in slow starts and frequent setbacks due to transmission problems."
"This is Nanshan's advantage. After all, we produce our own gearboxes."
"The concept of continuous development of internal combustion engines is smaller volume, lower speed, lower displacement, smaller weight, and greater power per liter."
"I heard that Volkswagen's next generation models will use turbocharged engines on a large scale."
"GM is also preparing to introduce more turbocharged engines in the future."
"That is to say, Japanese car companies will be slower in this regard."
When Cao Yang said this, Liang Chuanqing did not refute again.
After all, people stand higher.
"Mr. Cao, since Nanshan is confident that we can develop a turbocharged engine, our future F6 models will be equipped with turbochargers."
Wang Fu is also a very courageous person.
Cao Yang has made it so clear that he has no reason to insist on using naturally aspirated engines.
He even felt that coming to Nanshan today was really the right time.
In the future, the direction of BYD's own engine research needs to be changed.
"Mr. Cao, the 1.5T turbocharged engine can certainly meet the needs of the F6, but now each model generally has two displacement engines for consumers to choose from."
"This is also an important means to widen the price difference between different configurations."
"Do you have any ideas in this regard?"
Now that the general direction has been set, Liang Chuanqing naturally began to consider some more specific issues.
"This is easy to handle. We can launch a low-power version of the 1.5T engine and a high-power version of the 1.5T engine."
"This is the first step. If there are other models that need to be launched in the future, we can consider reviewing the 2.0T and 1.0T versions."
"As long as there is a mature and reliable 1.5T engine, it will not be that difficult to research other displacements."
Cao Yang immediately answered Liang Chuanqing's question.
There are so many solutions used by OEMs in later generations, so he has nothing to worry about.
Of course, we can review the hybrid version in the future, so there’s no rush to talk about it now.
After all, it was only 2003, and the hybrid market was far from exploding.
If you are one step ahead, you are a genius, but if you are two steps ahead, people may think you are crazy.
"Mr. Wang, since we have talked about the next engine research project, I will simply share with you some of BYD's expectations for the engine."
Liang Chuanqing's words were quite polite.
After all, it is now our side that is actively seeking cooperation.
And Nanshan also expressed his agreement very strongly.
Naturally, they can't act like Party A's father.
"If Mr. Liang has any requests, just ask them."
"I still say the same thing, as long as Nanshan can do it, we will fully cooperate."
"If Nanshan can't do it now, I will try my best to create conditions to do it."
The Nanshan engine project has just launched and has a model equipped with it, which is also a good thing for Cao Yang.
After all, engine development takes time, and it also takes time for the OEM to verify whether your engine is suitable for my car model.
If you cannot conduct simultaneous reviews at the new model stage, it will take more time later.
Nanshan's current turnover has reached 100 billion. Without a large number of new parts, it will be difficult to increase quickly to 200 billion at most.
But once the engine project officially enters mass production at the end of this year, the engine + gearbox power configuration will definitely win the favor of more independent brand car companies.
By then, let alone 200 billion in turnover, it is not impossible to double it again.
After all, Cao Yang is confident that the engine + gearbox developed by Nanshan is better than any other independent brand.
Even compared with international automobile giants, there is a slight gap in quality stability.
The parameters on paper are definitely not bad.
If you also consider that the engines currently invested by international automobile giants in China are not their most advanced products, it is not surprising that Nanshan is turning against others.
"Actually, our requirements are very simple, that is, the output power of the Nanshan 1.5T turbocharged engine cannot be lower than the parameters of the current Accord 2.4L naturally aspirated engine."
"In terms of fuel consumption, the best thing is to have an advantage of more than 10%."
"And in terms of cost, we will not compare it with the Accord. At least it cannot be higher than the 2.4L naturally aspirated engine sold by Aerospace Mitsubishi."
“As for quality, we also hope that Nanshan’s engines can ensure that there will be no obvious problems during the warranty period.”
Liang Chuanqing's request was not particularly exaggerated.
Except for the fuel consumption aspect, which was raised today, the others are BYD's original requirements for its own internal engine projects.
After all, if you can't meet these requirements, then what's the point of studying the engine yourself?
"no problem!"
"These will be the must-achieve goals of our engine project. I will set up a special engine research and development team to tackle the tough problems in the form of special research."
Cao Yang's words surprised both Ji Hua and Pan Jinxing.
A big attack?
This is a statement that my boss has never made before.
It seems that the next focus of my boss's work will be engine research and development.
However, neither of them said much at this time.
There will definitely be another meeting within Nanshan later, and we can have a hearty chat at that meeting.
……
"Mr. Wang, do you think Nanshan can successfully develop the engine we need?"
"Do we need to maintain communication with Aerospace Mitsubishi by then, just in case?"
On the way back to the company, Liang Chuanqing and Wang Fu sat in the same car and continued to discuss today's events.
The engine is the most important component assembly in a vehicle, and it cannot be overemphasized.
To put it mildly, if the engine fails, then BYD's F6 fails.
"Judging from Nanshan's past performance, they have never disappointed."
"They can break through even parts with such a high technical threshold like 6AT, so there's no reason why they can't fix the engine."
"Especially in the engine field, they have successfully researched a dozen parts including ECUs."
"Now we are just further researching the entire engine assembly, not starting from scratch."
"Personally, I am more optimistic about Nanshan, but we must also make the preparations we should."
"At Aerospace Mitsubishi, we don't have to put it on mass-produced vehicles, but it can be carried out as a review plan during the promotion of new models."
Although we are strategic partners, Wang Fu obviously cannot place all his hopes on Nanshan.
Even if he thinks Nanshan has a higher chance of success in research.
"I also think this will be safer. After all, it will be launched at the end of this year, which is the maximum delay we can accept."
"If Nanshan can successfully deliver the engine, that would be the best."
"If it really doesn't work, it's not unacceptable to use Mitsubishi Aerospace's engine to push it up first."
Wang Fu didn't say anything more about Liang Chuanqing's statement. Instead, he said with emotion: "Before, I never quite understood why Mr. Cao was able to lead Nanshan to take off in a short period of time."
"After chatting with him today, I discovered that he has a characteristic that is better than others."
Wang Fu came out of the system to start a business and achieved what he has achieved today in less than ten years. He is already considered very successful.
To some extent, he is also the darling of the times.
But today he was better than himself in some areas of Cao Yang.
"Mr. Wang, are you referring to the turbocharged engine?"
Liang Chuanqing is also a smart person.
Naturally, we can find the key points from today’s conversation.
"Yes, among the domestic independent brands, which one is developing a turbocharged engine?"
"Even those Japanese and Korean companies are still working hard on the road of naturally aspirated engines and have not considered switching to turbocharging at all."
"Under such advanced circumstances, I admire Mr. Cao for being able to judge that the market will shift to turbocharging in the future based on the rapid development of China's automobile industry and the overall situation of oil imports."
“It was a problem that we had never thought about before, and even our first reaction was that it was impossible.”
"After analyzing it from his mouth, I think it makes a lot of sense."
"It seems that he knows the future development direction of China's automobile industry."
"This kind of ability is definitely not possessed by ordinary people. The key is that he still has the ability to promote the development of the company in this direction according to his own predictions."
“The future of Nanshan is very worthy of expectations.”
When Wang Fu said this, Liang Chuanqing also understood it deeply.
However, he immediately realized a problem and said, "Mr. Wang, engines and gearboxes are now purchased from Nanshan. Their strength in auto parts is stronger than ours."
"If they build their own cars in the future, wouldn't they be better than what we build?"
"The supply of our engines and gearboxes will be a big problem by then, right?"
Any engine manufacturer will not be responsible for the production of all parts by itself.
There are specialties in the industry, and some small parts may look simple, but the production process is very complicated.
For example, parts such as valve springs and spark plugs are not very valuable, but their production is quite complicated.
It's obviously unrealistic if you do it all yourself.
As long as the overall layout of the engine is designed in-house, non-core parts can be purchased outsourced.
Whether it is domestic manufacturers or international parts giants, they are still willing to provide parts in this regard.
Of course, if you have to use parts from manufacturers such as Bosch and Denso, the price will definitely be more expensive.
Therefore, in terms of large items, Cao Yang is planning to arrange for Nanshan to produce them himself.
"What Mr. Liang said makes sense. We at Nanshan are willing to provide engines for F6 and will go all out to promote the engine project in the next year."
When Cao Yang said this, Ji Hua and Pan Jinxing couldn't say anything even if they had objections.
You can't try to undermine your boss in front of your customers, right?
No matter how low your emotional intelligence is, it won't be this low.
"Mr. Cao, Nanshan can produce world-leading gearboxes, and I believe it can also produce world-leading engines."
"I can promise that the engines and gearboxes of F6 models will always be purchased from Nanshan in the future."
"Of course, after all, the price of our F6 is incomparable with that of the Accord, so we ask for Nanshan's support for the cost."
Wang Fu felt relieved when he saw that Cao Yang agreed to take the order.
However, he also restricted the cooperation with the F6 model in a very stupid way.
He doesn't want to commit to cooperation with other models now.
After all, if BYD wants to build cars, it will definitely produce its own engines in the future.
In terms of models, there will not be only one model, F6.
Cao Yang didn't have much opinion on this.
But any car company that is pursuing something a little bit cannot always buy engines from outside.
After all, in the traditional automobile era, the engine was the most important component of a vehicle.
There is no one of that kind.
For example, Yangcheng Honda claims to buy an engine and get a car for free.
It fully illustrates the importance of the engine and the high level of other people's engines.
"Nanshan's products have always been competitive in terms of QCD. Please rest assured, Mr. Wang."
"However, what you previously studied was the 2.4L inline four-cylinder naturally aspirated engine used in the Accord. I have some new ideas in this regard."
When Cao Yang said this, Wang Fu and Liang Chuanqing looked at him with great interest.
It’s good to have ideas.
I’m afraid Nanshan doesn’t have any ideas.
"Mr. Cao, the turbocharged engine uses exhaust gas to push the pump wheel to rotate at high speed, driving the coaxial turbine to rotate at high speed. Since the turbine has a certain inertia, there is a certain lag in theory. Of course, small inertia turbines are now commonly used. This kind of The hysteresis is not obvious, but in terms of power response, it is still half a beat slower, and the car will not shift when you step on it lightly."
"This problem seems to have no solution."
"Will it become a point of complaint from consumers and competitors in the future?"
Although his heart was already moved, Liang Chuanqing was still a little worried.
"Mr. Liang's statement is actually what many people say is that the acceleration curve of a naturally aspirated engine is linear, while turbocharging is curved, so there is lag in the turbine at low speeds."
"In fact, naturally aspirated engines are not linear. At high speeds, the air intake effect of self-aspirated engines is poor. The way to solve the problem is to use variable valve timing and lift technology to increase the valve opening time at high speeds. , and the lift enlarges the opening area to continue to increase the air intake volume.”
"Such as Honda's VTEC, Nissan VVEL, etc.? In fact, when the engine speed is above 5500 rpm and the lift is turned on, the feeling is abrupt and like a chicken blood. Is this called linear and smooth?"
"Turbocharged engines are less effective at low speeds, but self-priming engines are less effective at high speeds."
"At that point, everyone will just be talking nonsense."
"Many times, turbo lag is caused by a mismatch between the engine and the transmission, resulting in slow starts and frequent setbacks due to transmission problems."
"This is Nanshan's advantage. After all, we produce our own gearboxes."
"The concept of continuous development of internal combustion engines is smaller volume, lower speed, lower displacement, smaller weight, and greater power per liter."
"I heard that Volkswagen's next generation models will use turbocharged engines on a large scale."
"GM is also preparing to introduce more turbocharged engines in the future."
"That is to say, Japanese car companies will be slower in this regard."
When Cao Yang said this, Liang Chuanqing did not refute again.
After all, people stand higher.
"Mr. Cao, since Nanshan is confident that we can develop a turbocharged engine, our future F6 models will be equipped with turbochargers."
Wang Fu is also a very courageous person.
Cao Yang has made it so clear that he has no reason to insist on using naturally aspirated engines.
He even felt that coming to Nanshan today was really the right time.
In the future, the direction of BYD's own engine research needs to be changed.
"Mr. Cao, the 1.5T turbocharged engine can certainly meet the needs of the F6, but now each model generally has two displacement engines for consumers to choose from."
"This is also an important means to widen the price difference between different configurations."
"Do you have any ideas in this regard?"
Now that the general direction has been set, Liang Chuanqing naturally began to consider some more specific issues.
"This is easy to handle. We can launch a low-power version of the 1.5T engine and a high-power version of the 1.5T engine."
"This is the first step. If there are other models that need to be launched in the future, we can consider reviewing the 2.0T and 1.0T versions."
"As long as there is a mature and reliable 1.5T engine, it will not be that difficult to research other displacements."
Cao Yang immediately answered Liang Chuanqing's question.
There are so many solutions used by OEMs in later generations, so he has nothing to worry about.
Of course, we can review the hybrid version in the future, so there’s no rush to talk about it now.
After all, it was only 2003, and the hybrid market was far from exploding.
If you are one step ahead, you are a genius, but if you are two steps ahead, people may think you are crazy.
"Mr. Wang, since we have talked about the next engine research project, I will simply share with you some of BYD's expectations for the engine."
Liang Chuanqing's words were quite polite.
After all, it is now our side that is actively seeking cooperation.
And Nanshan also expressed his agreement very strongly.
Naturally, they can't act like Party A's father.
"If Mr. Liang has any requests, just ask them."
"I still say the same thing, as long as Nanshan can do it, we will fully cooperate."
"If Nanshan can't do it now, I will try my best to create conditions to do it."
The Nanshan engine project has just launched and has a model equipped with it, which is also a good thing for Cao Yang.
After all, engine development takes time, and it also takes time for the OEM to verify whether your engine is suitable for my car model.
If you cannot conduct simultaneous reviews at the new model stage, it will take more time later.
Nanshan's current turnover has reached 100 billion. Without a large number of new parts, it will be difficult to increase quickly to 200 billion at most.
But once the engine project officially enters mass production at the end of this year, the engine + gearbox power configuration will definitely win the favor of more independent brand car companies.
By then, let alone 200 billion in turnover, it is not impossible to double it again.
After all, Cao Yang is confident that the engine + gearbox developed by Nanshan is better than any other independent brand.
Even compared with international automobile giants, there is a slight gap in quality stability.
The parameters on paper are definitely not bad.
If you also consider that the engines currently invested by international automobile giants in China are not their most advanced products, it is not surprising that Nanshan is turning against others.
"Actually, our requirements are very simple, that is, the output power of the Nanshan 1.5T turbocharged engine cannot be lower than the parameters of the current Accord 2.4L naturally aspirated engine."
"In terms of fuel consumption, the best thing is to have an advantage of more than 10%."
"And in terms of cost, we will not compare it with the Accord. At least it cannot be higher than the 2.4L naturally aspirated engine sold by Aerospace Mitsubishi."
“As for quality, we also hope that Nanshan’s engines can ensure that there will be no obvious problems during the warranty period.”
Liang Chuanqing's request was not particularly exaggerated.
Except for the fuel consumption aspect, which was raised today, the others are BYD's original requirements for its own internal engine projects.
After all, if you can't meet these requirements, then what's the point of studying the engine yourself?
"no problem!"
"These will be the must-achieve goals of our engine project. I will set up a special engine research and development team to tackle the tough problems in the form of special research."
Cao Yang's words surprised both Ji Hua and Pan Jinxing.
A big attack?
This is a statement that my boss has never made before.
It seems that the next focus of my boss's work will be engine research and development.
However, neither of them said much at this time.
There will definitely be another meeting within Nanshan later, and we can have a hearty chat at that meeting.
……
"Mr. Wang, do you think Nanshan can successfully develop the engine we need?"
"Do we need to maintain communication with Aerospace Mitsubishi by then, just in case?"
On the way back to the company, Liang Chuanqing and Wang Fu sat in the same car and continued to discuss today's events.
The engine is the most important component assembly in a vehicle, and it cannot be overemphasized.
To put it mildly, if the engine fails, then BYD's F6 fails.
"Judging from Nanshan's past performance, they have never disappointed."
"They can break through even parts with such a high technical threshold like 6AT, so there's no reason why they can't fix the engine."
"Especially in the engine field, they have successfully researched a dozen parts including ECUs."
"Now we are just further researching the entire engine assembly, not starting from scratch."
"Personally, I am more optimistic about Nanshan, but we must also make the preparations we should."
"At Aerospace Mitsubishi, we don't have to put it on mass-produced vehicles, but it can be carried out as a review plan during the promotion of new models."
Although we are strategic partners, Wang Fu obviously cannot place all his hopes on Nanshan.
Even if he thinks Nanshan has a higher chance of success in research.
"I also think this will be safer. After all, it will be launched at the end of this year, which is the maximum delay we can accept."
"If Nanshan can successfully deliver the engine, that would be the best."
"If it really doesn't work, it's not unacceptable to use Mitsubishi Aerospace's engine to push it up first."
Wang Fu didn't say anything more about Liang Chuanqing's statement. Instead, he said with emotion: "Before, I never quite understood why Mr. Cao was able to lead Nanshan to take off in a short period of time."
"After chatting with him today, I discovered that he has a characteristic that is better than others."
Wang Fu came out of the system to start a business and achieved what he has achieved today in less than ten years. He is already considered very successful.
To some extent, he is also the darling of the times.
But today he was better than himself in some areas of Cao Yang.
"Mr. Wang, are you referring to the turbocharged engine?"
Liang Chuanqing is also a smart person.
Naturally, we can find the key points from today’s conversation.
"Yes, among the domestic independent brands, which one is developing a turbocharged engine?"
"Even those Japanese and Korean companies are still working hard on the road of naturally aspirated engines and have not considered switching to turbocharging at all."
"Under such advanced circumstances, I admire Mr. Cao for being able to judge that the market will shift to turbocharging in the future based on the rapid development of China's automobile industry and the overall situation of oil imports."
“It was a problem that we had never thought about before, and even our first reaction was that it was impossible.”
"After analyzing it from his mouth, I think it makes a lot of sense."
"It seems that he knows the future development direction of China's automobile industry."
"This kind of ability is definitely not possessed by ordinary people. The key is that he still has the ability to promote the development of the company in this direction according to his own predictions."
“The future of Nanshan is very worthy of expectations.”
When Wang Fu said this, Liang Chuanqing also understood it deeply.
However, he immediately realized a problem and said, "Mr. Wang, engines and gearboxes are now purchased from Nanshan. Their strength in auto parts is stronger than ours."
"If they build their own cars in the future, wouldn't they be better than what we build?"
"The supply of our engines and gearboxes will be a big problem by then, right?"
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