reborn in the fiery age

But the premise is that in this negotiation about Spey, Luo Luo's quotation must be reasonable, otherwise we will not be able to persuade our superiors to cooperate with Luo Luo who is asking for sky-high prices. "

Now that the ball is kicked back to the opponent, it depends on the reaction of Luo Luo and the Bredians.

Chapter 157 Discussion

When Huafang suddenly mentioned gas locomotives, Rolls-Royce was very excited because the cake was too big, but they were afraid that Huaguo had just painted a big cake.It happened that the Huaguo negotiating delegation had returned to China, and they also took the opportunity to start an investigation to see if there was any possibility.

Soon the relevant investigation report came out, and Bredia's high-level executives were delighted to find that from a technical point of view, although Rolls-Royce had not done relevant research, it was because Bredia's infrastructure had already been completed. They don't have a place to experiment at all, not because they don't have relevant technical reserves.

Technically speaking, the current gas turbines are quite mature for traction locomotives. The power of the gas turbines they already have can do this, but the cost is relatively high. That's definitely not worth it.

But for the Qinghai-Tibet line, such a high altitude is simply the best application place for gas locomotives; what's more, Huaguo's railway system is still very primitive. With gas locomotives as power, their replacement cost is lower than that of electrified railways, so in theory He said that if there is a practical gas locomotive, Huaguo will not need it.

The Bredians can't wait to pat themselves on the head at this time, they are so stupid, if they have the opportunity to participate in Huaguo's upgrading of the railway system, the income will definitely be dozens of times higher than the current military engine cooperation. Not only that, so even if Huaguo is fooling them, he has to take it seriously, and must find a way to persuade Huaguo to cooperate in the development of gas locomotives.

The hearts of the Bredians were surging, and the high-level leaders of Huaguo were also confused at this time. They asked Sun Zujie to participate. They didn't want him to do anything. He was responsible for bargaining and then paid for it. The locomotive is such a moth.

Therefore, Sun Zujie and Mr. Wu were urgently called back to China, and the high-level officials decided to hold an expert meeting to discuss the feasibility of this technical route.

Sun Zujie doesn’t know military engines and gas turbines, but it’s not for nothing that these two products from the same source can be called the flowers of modern industry. In 30 or [-] years, it may not be easy. Compared with this, the electronics industry has advanced many generations.

In addition to the weak foundation, the lack of application market is also the key to the backwardness of Huaguo's military engines. Huaguo did not start to have demand for civilian gas turbines until the 21st century.

And if it is limited to engines and warship power in the military field, then there will only be no profit from the investment, and it will be a loss from the country's point of view. No matter how important it is, it is impossible to invest too much money.It's a joke that this piece can produce flowers without money.

Mr. Wu has worked in Luoluo Company. Of course, he understands the promotion effect of the application in the civilian field on the military field, so he fully cooperates with Sun Zujie's bluff. wonderful.

Of course, Iron Boss is not an idiot. They absolutely do not have a route for gas locomotives for future railway upgrades. I haven’t seen developed countries have done this before. It’s better to honestly engage in electrified locomotives.

The consideration of the railway system is also justified. It is not that domestic reliable gas turbines are not available, but that they do not exist at all, and they are blank.

It's not that they haven't tried it before. The two experimental locomotives that cost a lot of money hired Zhu Rong to make them completely give up on this technical route.

Therefore, Iron Boss thinks that it is better to climb up step by step from the existing technical route, and then understand the advanced foreign technology, which is obviously much more reliable.

But in the face of the obvious demand on the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, the railway system is also a bit embarrassed, and they really need a gas locomotive.So the attitude of the railway system is a tactful opposition, but the attitude of opposition is obvious.

As the number one expert in the domestic engine field, Daniel, and a member of the academic department who gave up the good life in Bredia and returned to China on his own initiative, Mr. Wu has an undisputed right to speak on the development of gas turbines, so his attitude is very important. .

The importance of this piece of research in national defense is absolutely great. With heart disease, aircraft, tanks and warships will have problems, so the significance does not need to be explained at all.

Mr. Wu mainly elaborated on technology and civilian use to promote military research. The meaning is obvious. The country is indeed very backward, but technically speaking, the development of foreign gas locomotives has gradually matured, so he jointly developed a model with Rolls-Royce. Gas locomotives are very likely.

The most important thing is that this process will also promote domestic research in this field, and the introduction of investment and technology can improve military research in disguise.

Hearing this, the high-level leaders who participated in the meeting also understood what was going on. It is beneficial to develop gas locomotives, but there is not much foundation, too much investment, and the railway system is not interested.

So the leader turned his attention to the instigator, "Sun Zujie, you are the one who broke this matter, tell me what you think."

Sun Zujie rationalized his thoughts, and then began a long speech. "Leaders, our country, whether it is military or civilian, has heart disease, that is, the level of power system is seriously backward.

This time I visited the AMC Automobile Manufacturing Company of the United States and wanted to buy their S-type engine used in the Jeep, but the other party would never sell it even if it was about to go bankrupt.Saying that this is AMC's most valuable thing, no matter how high our bid is, they will not sell it.And even if they wanted to sell it, the U.S. imperial government would not approve it.

This is true for civilian engines, but it is even more difficult in the field of military engines. Therefore, it is more difficult to buy than to buy in this area. It is relatively difficult to introduce advanced technology from the West. In the final analysis, we still have to rely on our own progress.

I am not very worried about the field of civilian engines. Our national construction will inevitably require a large number of cars. This part of the West will transfer technology sooner or later for our market. We cannot buy it now, but we will be able to buy it in the future.

And with the actual demand, the country is willing to invest money in research, so I am more confident in the field of civil engines. As long as we are determined, it is still possible to catch up with the advanced level of the West.

But in the field of military engines, frankly I am very concerned.We use coal for domestic power generation, so we don't use gas turbines for power generation in the largest civilian field.

Without capital investment in the civilian field, I think it is not realistic to rely purely on national investment to maintain the development of military engines.After our country has nuclear weapons, direct military conflicts with other major powers are very limited, if any.

Now that the country’s economy is in trouble, investment in the military industry will be reduced sooner or later. In my opinion, this area will only reduce investment in the future, and will not increase investment. Therefore, it may be very difficult to make progress in the field of military engines.

Therefore, if there is an opportunity to cooperate with Rolls-Royce to develop gas locomotives, new civilian funds will be invested in this area, and the two areas will progress together, and our future military engines will have the hope of catching up.

The comrades in the railway system think that there are no gas locomotives in the west, so will our development go the wrong way?I think that the large-scale infrastructure construction in Western countries has been completed, and their railways have been electrified. Even if the technology of gas locomotives is now mature, they will not reinvent the wheel, because it is too uneconomical to do so from the perspective of economic interests.

However, our country’s railway system is still very primitive. Now whether it is electrification or gas locomotive routes, there are options, so why not try it?

Taking a step back, even if the route of gas locomotives does not work, it is valuable for us to figure this out.And the investment at the beginning will not be too big, it's just that Rolls-Royce is researching an experimental car front, and it won't cost too much money. "

Chapter 158 The Great Discussion

In 1980, Huaguo's surroundings were very restless. In the south, Vietnam, which had suffered a lot, continued to provoke Huaguo, trying to get a lot of aid from Soviet Russia in this way to restore its vitality as soon as possible.

In the west, the powerful Soviet Russian army occupied the entire cemetery, and its front was only one step away from the Indian Ocean. In the north, millions of Soviet troops pressed against the border line of thousands of miles, only a few hundred kilometers away from the capital.

The tank corps of Soviet Russia can reach the capital within a week, and the new Tu 22M bomber can even raid the capital in an instant and drop bombs. Huaguo has no weapons to deal with it at this time.

In such a cruel border defense situation, Sun Zujie said that he would not directly conflict with major powers, so when he said this, many people felt that his judgment on the international situation was too optimistic?

Of course, this issue was not the subject of the meeting, because this passage from Sun Zujie also explained an important point of his, that is, the research and development of military engines cannot only rely on state funding, but must also be developed for civilian use. Otherwise, it will be difficult to catch up with the international advanced level.

Therefore, around his point of view, the meeting began to debate, because this point of view, which is common in later generations, is quite new at this time.

R&D institutions accustomed to state directives do not understand the R&D model under the market economy at all.But this time, the Huaguo negotiators who participated in the introduction of the Spey engine had a lot of experience in their contact with Rolls-Royce.

Before Rolls-Royce integrated the research and development of Bredia's aero-engines, Bredia's factories were all independent enterprises, and each factory still produced a certain type of engine, from the manufacture of various parts to the assembly and test run of the engine. Complete with all five internal organs, it is completely consistent with Huaguo's current model.

By the early 70s, Rolls-Royce rationalized and reorganized each factory, and the production of each factory was no longer repeated, and a specialized division of labor was realized.Later, it gradually merged to form Rolls-Royce, the only aero-engine manufacturer in Bridia.

A CATIC negotiator surnamed Hua cited some examples of exchanges with Rolls-Royce to illustrate Rolls-Royce's product development ideas.The starting point of Rolls-Royce is to do everything possible to develop various modifications in order to make its products meet the needs of various users. Whether it is military, civilian or land use, regardless of the thrust, everything is based on the user's requirements.

A total of [-] to [-] units of Guangguang Spey series engines have been produced and sold, which not only created good economic benefits, but also opened up a broad world for technological development.In contrast, domestic factories and institutes often only develop new products from the perspective of technological development, and have little consideration for what kind of products are needed by users and are likely to be sold in the market.

In the end, Mr. Hua said something like this, "We emphasize the development of technology, while foreign businessmen pay more attention to economic interests, that is, the sale of engines or aircraft.

In fact, it is not that foreign companies do not pay attention to technological development, but their understanding is that only when the products are marketable can they be continuously put into production, used and improved.Market demand is the driving force and source of funds for technological development.

Our system is very different. As long as a new machine project can be approved, it can obtain funds from the government, which is often not directly related to whether the project can enter the market.

This may be one of the reasons why the development of our aviation industry has been struggling in recent years.Although Comrade Sun Zujie's views are novel, I think he is closer to Rolls-Royce's ideas, and it is indeed worthy of our deep thinking. "

After listening to Sun Zujie, he felt a sense of identity in his heart. In this era, he often has a sense of loneliness, and his views on many things are always incompatible with those around him and even his wife.

Although Sun Zujie carefully restrained his edge, behaved in a low-key manner, and did things in a high-key manner, he still clearly felt that many people looked at him as if he was a different kind.

He often summons up the courage to tell himself that it's not that I'm a different kind, but that I'm half a step ahead of the times, absolutely not one step, or I'll be burned to death.

So after Sun Zujie listened to Mr. Hua's opinion, he spoke again. He cited some examples encountered in the research and development of OPIE, the most typical one being Huaguo's stagnation in the field of monocrystalline silicon in the past.

However, after Sun Zujie managed it in a market-oriented mode, Oupai Electronics has made breakthroughs in the field of monocrystalline silicon in the past two years, and has now exported a large amount to foreign countries.

The huge change from import to export shows that Huaguo is not without scientific research capabilities, but that there are still many gaps between scientific research and practical application, and we must find a way to reform this.

In addition, the bladeless fans and brushless motors started by Oupai Electronics are completely similar to the R&D model of Rolls-Royce.Since Oupai Electronics reached an agreement with Woguo, the two products of bladeless fan and brushless motor can purchase the accessories of Woguo, and quickly promoted them in the market, and soon gained a good profit.