Great writers and philosophers

*Host: Koichi Sato, a famous literary critic

*Speaker: Naoki Sugiyama, a junior in the literary world

*Conversation Topic: The Polaris You Don’t Know

Sato Koichi: Polaris does not describe real life, and the characters in the pen are not people in real life.She is just constantly collecting the qualities that move her, putting them in some images that you think are ordinary but are actually strange, and finally hardening out a result—this result may be Don Juan, Faust, or someone else. It may be Guangyuanshi and Monkey King.Every book of hers strongly emphasizes the dream of combining reality and ideals, because she is too persistent, and even has a stereotyped profoundness.

Naoki Sugiyama: All smart people know that they should be cynical, otherwise you are not smart.However, the biggest problem with Mr. Polaris is that he has a problem with his own cognition.

Sato Koichi: Mr. Nakamori Osamuhiko also said that, is it obvious when we get along in private?

Naoki Sugiyama: It’s no longer a question of whether it’s obvious or not. It’s the feeling when you see a person wearing a big padded jacket walk down the street with his hands in front of his forehead and say that the sun is so bright today.Of course, you can't tell it at the first meeting, but you can basically see it, and if you don't see it, there will be problems.

Koichi Sato: Ango Sakaguchi said that Polaris’s works are works that are sensitive to human feelings.

Naoki Sugiyama: This evaluation is actually controversial.There were also many debates in the literary salons during that period. I remember that Osamu Dazai and Nakahara almost got into a fight.

Koichi Sato: Nakahara Chuya... is Mori Ogai's student?

Naoki Sugiyama: He is a very bad-tempered guy, and he is very at odds with Dazai Osamu. If there is no Oda Sakunosuke or Mr. Polaris, they will fight when they meet.

Sato Koichi: Polaris also said that Ryunosuke Akutagawa's works are good at human feelings, but the connotations of the two works are completely different.

Naoki Sugiyama: Mr. Polaris doesn’t think that the things he writes are humane. She prefers the works of Akutagawa Ryunosuke, Sakaguchi Ango, Dazai Osamu and others to be humane. Dole's is often talked about by her.She said her literature is about 'people'.

Sato Koichi: It seems to describe people, but in fact it describes the "person" that people always pursue, but they can never pursue.

Sugiyama Naoki: That’s right, it’s very obvious in the two books of “Ura’s Martyrdom for Love” and “Singra’s World”, as well as the works created during the period when she was called the “pioneer of dark aesthetics”.In fact, she can't write things that are really good at human feelings at all. Similarly, Ango Sakaguchi, who made this evaluation, can't actually write anything.

Sato Koichi: If it is the evil of human nature, Polaris is very cowardly.

Naoki Sugiyama: I was so cowardly that I was almost bewitched by Dazai Osamu to try to commit suicide during the creation of "The Victim" hahaha.

Koichi Sato: It turned out that Osamu Dazai was hung on the side of the ship for three days, and I still have the newspapers from that time.

Sugiyama Naoki: Yes, Mr. Uchiha also recruited newspaper reporters.Having said that, it might be Mr. Uchiha who is the most skilled person.

Sato Koichi: Polaris' love for Uchiha Itachi is reflected in the works as an amazing sacrificial love.

Naoki Sugiyama: That kind of love is wholehearted, unswerving, servile, and relentless love. In fact, you can’t believe that this kind of love really exists. It should only exist in Polaris’ book. It’s her once again. A passionate delusion that brings ideals to reality.

Sato Koichi: I have always felt that someone must have lied, either in real life, who is very affectionate with her husband, Nana Hotaru, or Polaris, who wrote those words.Both literary history and human history tell us that once you love someone so much that you can no longer love them, the ending will always be tragic, otherwise it is illogical and unrealistic.

Naoki Sugiyama: Why can’t we think that Mr. Polaris has succeeded and what she pursued has come true?Those qualities, those images, that kind of profundity... I don't believe that it is not true, even if there is a little bit of falsehood and pretense in it, Mr. Polaris can't resist the desire to put it on paper and pen.

Koichi Sato: From the point of view of a literati, I also hope it is true, or in other words, anyone who has not completely lost hope in human beings will hope that this is true in the bottom of their hearts. The reason why romance is romance... …That is not just the romance of literature, but the romance of human beings that goes beyond literature and art.Such a romance, so haunting just to imagine, that I even hated Polaris in some quiet moments—she told me there was such a romance, but she said she wasn't going to write it.It's even a betrayal of literature, if I may say so.No writer can do such a thing, especially a writer who is rooted in the world.

Naoki Sugiyama: I don’t have much right to speak in this regard. After all, I am Kusaku Yumeno hahaha... Literature first comes from people, but it must surpass people. But in the end, the ultimate pursuit of literature is precisely people.At the beginning, when Mr. Polaris said this, everyone couldn't understand-if the person who spoke was not Mr. Polaris, then we would either think that someone was grandstanding, or we would rebut without saying a word.

Sato Koichi: The key now is that the cruelest article by Polaris, who likes cheating articles, is a "book" that has neither a title nor an outline, let alone a draft, without even uttering a single idea.

Naoki Sugiyama: Ango Sakaguchi and Osamu Dazai believed in the existence of this book. Ryunosuke Akutagawa, Sakunosuke Oda, and Mori Ogai believed in the existence of this book more out of respect and courtesy. Fyodor Totally scoffed.

Koichi Sato: I can somewhat understand Ango Sakaguchi. In a sense, he is as fragile and ideal as Polaris, but Osamu Dazai also believes it?

Naoki Sugiyama: Osamu Dazai is the one who believes the most. "Mediocre Couples", the people who wrote this kind of work can't believe that there is a good marriage. Love - that's what his fans think.But this is not the case.The person who believes the most is Dazai Osamu, and the person who believes the longest is Dazai Osamu.There can be no one other than Osamu Dazai.This is Osamu Dazai.Don't be Dazai, don't be anything.From the first meeting, Mr. Polaris' comments summed up his entire life.

Koichi Sato: Is it... because of belief, can you correctly create works that are extremely opposite?

Naoki Sugiyama: Uh...that's not the case.Osamu Dazai firmly believed that the book that Mr. Polaris did not write would be the end of Polaris' dream, a terminus on the road of literature.At the same time, he remains steadfast in his belief that there is nothing beyond the end.All good things end in pain or nothingness.All good things come to an end.

Sato Koichi: Polaris said Uchiha Itachi is the most beautiful existence in the world.

Naoki Sugiyama: Osamu Dazai said that the most beautiful existence will die, whether it dies before her or after her, or at the same time, in short, they will die, they will disappear, and they will lose their original meaning.

Koichi Sato: Although it is a meaningless debate for most of us, it is of the greatest significance to Osamu Dazai. If you do not agree with his concept of meaning, you cannot argue with him, let alone defeat him.

Naoki Sugiyama: Mr. Polaris did it.

Koichi Sato: What? !

Naoki Sugiyama: Although no one knows what the process is, the result is that Polaris did it. She used methods or theories that we don’t know about or defeated Osamu Dazai’s set of ideas, and made him take a step back and admit that, no matter what, Maybe that couple will be an exception.

Koichi Sato: ...Damn it, I really want to learn how to summon souls!Polaris has given so many answers, but on the most critical matter, even her readers have to explore by themselves whether the problem exists or not.Many times I wonder whether she loves or not.

Naoki Sugiyama: If I didn’t love it, I wouldn’t write it.Mr. Polaris loves humans without a doubt.Only this love is not monotonous or static.It can even be said that just love is not enough for her.

Koichi Sato: Huh?

Naoki Sugiyama: How can a person who is always longing for what he doesn’t need, always begging for what he has already got, always looking at things other than himself, begging for the abyss of love, get nothing Give back?Love is deep, love is full of hope, love is full of despair, so sometimes love looks like hate, asking questions looks like torture, and even the answer looks like a high-ranking irony.

But only one thing must be clear:

That lofty satirical smile is condensed by a literary star rooted in the bottom of the abyss of love after going through untold hardships. It is a fragile and small crystal like starlight.

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