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Zhenguan Weitian hummed disdainfully:

"Can't Qin Shihuang's ruling strategy be opposed?"

"Who is the eternal emperor, you have to find out! That is us Li Shimin."

"Not to mention anything else, Li Shimin loves the people like a son, how does Qin Shihuang compare to you?"

"I doubt you, what's the matter? We Li Shimin have a lot of qualifications, and Li Shimin is the undisputed number one among the emperors!"

"You know, since Li Shimin, "Emperor Fan" has become the standard for all emperors to govern."

"Even Zhu Yuanzhang is learning from Fan!"

The fans of the Ming Dynasty were suddenly angry, you can still get involved with our Hongwu Emperor?You really overblown, they slapped the table, stood up, and quarreled with each other:

"How could our Emperor Hongwu learn from Li Shimin?"

"Isn't this nonsense!"

"Can Li Shimin become an emperor through the ages? Then where is my Hongwu Emperor?"

"You love the people like a child? Can you compare with Emperor Hongwu?"

"Li Shimin loves the people like a son, so he let the Tujue plunder Guanzhong? Li Shimin loves the people like a son, but he dare not divide the land from the local tyrants! I just love the people like a son, and I just talk about it."

"If you have the ability, you do it!"

"Do you dare to let the people sue the government?"

The phalanx of Li Shimin's fans was not calm at the moment, and immediately replied, Zhenguan Weitian, said disdainfully:

"It is clearly recorded in history that Zhu Yuanzhang read "Emperor Fan" and respected Li Shimin very much. The most important thing is that Zhu Yuanzhang also became a vassal king."

"Isn't this learning from Li Shimin?"

"Haven't you read "Emperor Fan"?"

The fans of the Ming Dynasty blushed one by one. They all agreed that their Hongwu Emperor, known as the boss of the Traveler Alliance, how could he learn from you, Li Shimin?

Doesn't this lower the grade of our Emperor Hongwu?

But now they are questioned by others, and they are speechless, because Zhu Yuanzhang did entrust the vassal king.

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In the auditorium, when the fans of the Ming Dynasty were stabilized, Chen Tong spoke.

Chen Tong knocked on the table to attract everyone's attention, then said with a smile:

"Speaking of Hongwu Emperor learning from Fan" and imitating Li Shimin, this is completely, not understanding history."

"The person who really studied Fan was the emperor of the Song Dynasty, because the central idea of ​​"Di Fan" is the separation of powers, and the imperial power respects the power of ministers."

"Did Zhu Yuanzhang decentralize power?"

"Zhu Yuanzhang is the emperor with the most concentrated imperial power in history, not one of them!"

"The Jinyiwei system he established is to strengthen the imperial power."

"And the so-called vassal kings are not princes in the traditional sense at all, because the vassal kings have no military power, no financial power, let alone the ruling power of fiefs, and they do not have the right to appoint and dismiss their own royal officials."

"The vassal king needs the order of the Ministry of War to mobilize the army, and they only have a very small number of guards in the palace."

"The most important thing is these guards. They are paid by the imperial court. Once the imperial court cuts off their salaries, these palace guards will have to be disbanded."

"This kind of vassal king, that is, the princes who have no real power that Li Shimin despises."

"Li Shimin is against this."

"And Zhu Yuanzhang just wanted to do this."

"How could it be that Zhu Yuanzhang imitated Li Shimin?"

"Your family imitated it in reverse?"

Immediately, the fans of Ming Dynasty applauded collectively, what they said was simply too good!

Our Hongwu Emperor was famous for strengthening the centralization of power, and what you Li Shimin advocated was the distribution of feudal princes, that is, to decentralize power.

Don't associate our Hongwu Emperor with you Li Shimin.

"Fans of Li Shimin, you've been slapped in the face!"

"You don't understand our Hongwu Emperor at all. You don't even understand your own Li Shimin's system, so you just brag about it!"

Fans of the Ming Dynasty, fans of the crazy diss Li Shimin.

Zhenguan Weitian and others scolded in their hearts, Chen Tong is simply not human!

But at this moment, it's not the time to match up with Ming Dynasty fans, they turned their heads to look at Chen Tongheng and said:

"Then do you admit that the "Emperor Fan" written by Li Shimin has a profound influence on later generations? Have you read history seriously?"

Chen Tong nodded. "Of course I admit it."

After Chen Tong finished speaking, Li Shimin's fans were immediately elated, and the fans of the other phalanx all showed astonished eyes, thinking that Chen Tong has given up?

However, what Chen Tong said next shocked everyone.

Chen Tong's eyes were full of jokes, and he said with a smile:

"Li Shimin's ruling philosophy has indeed had a profound impact! But I'm sorry, it's all negative!"

"Because "Emperor Fan", the ideas expounded have been verified by history, and they are completely wrong!"

"According to a wrong concept, the result will be very bad."

"This is also Li Shimin's eternal crime."

what?

When Zhenguan Weitian heard that he almost wanted to hit someone, other fans of Li Shimin also stood up one after another, pointed at Chen Tong's nose, and started cursing crazily:

"So shameless!"

"Why do you say that Li Shimin's ideas are wrong?"

"Why do you say that "Emperor Fan" brought a bad influence to future generations?"

"You're just talking nonsense!"

The fans of the other phalanx are all looking at the clean appearance, wishing that Chen Tong would be crazy about Li Shimin's fans.

Chen Tong shrugged and said with a smile:

"Are you talking nonsense? Let's just argue. This is a long-standing debate in history. It started from the Spring and Autumn Period and the Warring States Period: the struggle between centralization and decentralization."

"Actually, after a little analysis, you will know that decentralization is definitely wrong, and centralization is right."

"What is centralization?"

"That is, strong stems and weak branches. What results can centralization bring?"

"Strengthening centralization can eliminate local separatist forces and bring the whole country together."

"Centralization of power can unify policies, achieve fairness and efficiency, and reduce waste of resources."

"Centralization of power is conducive to national integration, dynasty unity, social stability, and economic prosperity."

"What is decentralization?"

"Decentralization means weak stems and strong branches. What is the result of decentralization?"

"Advocating the separation of powers will easily form local separatist regimes. For their own interests, the princes must prohibit the pace of obstruction. They will promote independence and self-government and form regional protectionism."

"This hinders economic development, is not conducive to the implementation of policies, is not conducive to national integration, is not conducive to the unification of the dynasty, and the separation of powers will eventually lead to the split of the dynasty."

"So, no matter from the perspective of the unity of the dynasty, economic prosperity, or social stability, decentralization is definitely wrong."

"Then we continue to verify from historical practice."

"Who in that dynasty adopted this model of decentralization?"

"That's the Song Dynasty!"

"The emperor of the Song Dynasty, who was fooled by the scholar-official class, adopted Li Shimin's political ideas and carried out decentralization."

"The emperor of the Song Dynasty did not distribute power to the princes, he distributed his own power to his courtiers."

"The lack of centralization of imperial power has led to the weakness of the monarch and the strength of the ministers. These courtiers have crazily sold out the interests of the dynasty and emptied the imperial power, making the Song Dynasty extremely weak."

"The national policy of the Song Dynasty is not to make the dynasty strong, but to allow the scholar-bureaucrats to obtain the greatest benefits!"

"The other dynasties are basically strengthening the centralization of power."

"No matter from the perspective of theory or historical practice, centralization is always right, and decentralization is definitely wrong!"

"So, Li Shimin's "Emperor Fan" is actually a disaster for the country and the people!"

"You still have the nerve to play "Emperor Fan"?"

"Be careful, are you sure you're not Li Shimin's black fan?"

Chen Tong's words made the scene instantly quiet, and everyone's eyes were filled with astonishment.

They didn't expect that "Emperor Fan" turned out to be like this?

The beautiful host first woke up from the shock, her eyes were full of horror, her red lips parted slightly, and she exclaimed:

"No wonder Chen Tong said that to understand history, one must have multidisciplinary thinking."

"This is really about applying what you have learned. To analyze the historical influence of "Emperor Fan", it is not just about learning history."

"It really taught us a profound, institutional reform lesson."

"I really didn't expect that "Emperor Fan", which was advocated by so many people, would be a negative teaching material!"

At this moment, the live broadcast room was completely blown up.

"Looking at it this way, Shimin is doing harm to the country and the people. When everyone agrees with the great unification, Li Shimin is going his own way. He insists on decentralization and enfeoffment."

"Isn't this against the trend of history?"

"If it's really like Li Shimin's, how can Yan and Huang be unified under the division?"