New Shun 1730

Li Gan did not oppose the reform.

He also did not oppose someone breaking this situation of "breaking but not establishing" and coming up with a new set of things that fully fit the economic foundation of Dashun today, completely replacing Zhu Xi's school of thought and establishing the official ideology.

In fact, he was very supportive.

However, this person must not be Liu Yu.

Li Gan could support Liu Yu in practical learning, academy of sciences, navy, and military reform.

However, if the former was allowed, it would be impossible to allow Liu Yu to integrate and expand this set into a system.

Wang Anshi was the first person, and perhaps the last one, who was both a strong man who entered the central government and could come up with a system.

When it comes to Wang Yangming, he will be given a title of baron, not enter the central government, and go home to study the mind.

Later, the mind school can be allowed to be strong, and there will be many followers of the mind school in the court, but the premise is that Wang Yangming has died or it is impossible for him to enter the central government.

At this time, Dashun, although not exactly the same, is not much different.

Just like the Dashun Dynasty was not without great Confucian scholars, there were also independent northern and southern factions, and there was also an ancient Confucian school, but although the faction leaders were famous, it was impossible for them to enter the central government.

The emperor knew very well what Liu Yu's Confucian level was. However, if he didn't know, others might not know... The emperor knew how Liu Yu won the first place in the Wude Palace examination.

The Batavia incident that caused this incident was a manifestation of this kind of thing.

If this incident happened under the rule of Dashun, how would it be treated? This is itself an official academic issue.

If it was Zhu Xi's school, as an official academic, how would this incident be characterized?

If Jing Gong's new school, as an official academic, would this incident be characterized like this?

If Han Confucian Gongyang, as an official academic, would this incident be characterized like this?

This is completely different.

Dashun did not rule the country by "Dashun Law", nor could it rule the country by "Dashun Law".

In the future, when industry and commerce develop, what we have to worry about is not the problem of collusion between officials and businessmen. Collusion between officials and businessmen is a small matter for the emperor. In the end, it was still a matter that could be solved by a great judge or a wise emperor sending an "eight-prefecture inspector" to investigate the case.

But as industry and commerce developed, how did the official view some new things? This was the problem that the emperor had to treat with caution.

The matter was still the same.

But was it good? Was it bad? Was it supported? Was it opposed? Was it praised? Was it rebuked? This was the significance of official scholarship.

The same widow remarried, and in the pre-Qin, Han, Tang, Song, Ming, Shun, and later generations, there were completely different evaluations. For example, Li Qingzhao became an "unfaithful woman".

Another example was Chongzhen, who sneered at the various immoral behaviors of Emperor Taizong of Tang, and thought that comparing Emperor Taizong with himself was an insult to himself. But in later generations, Chongzhen would at most be "sympathetic", but even if they sympathized, empathized, and lamented that he was born at the wrong time, no one asked: Who was stronger as an emperor, Chongzhen or Li Erqiang?

Similarly, if industry and commerce develop, how should some unprecedented things be characterized? And how should they be handled?

In the case of the Batavia Sugar Factory, the Dutch side condoned the use of slave labor and ultimately considered the rebels the primary culprit.

As the Minister of the Criminal Government said, if it was under the rule of Dashun, the primary culprit would be the governor who arbitrarily raised taxes, the secondary culprit would be the contractor of the sugar factory, and the slave labor would be the last, which could basically be characterized as "fishing and killing the family".

For example, the tulip bubble, the South Sea bubble, and the Mississippi bubble, Europe would definitely be willing to accept the loss, don't cry if you lose, hang yourself if you want to, and commit suicide if you want to.

But on the Dashun side, most of them were arrested for the crime of "controlling the market", and the speculators and initiators were arrested. When everyone made a fuss, most of the profits of those who took the opportunity to make a fortune were divided to appease everyone.

Such differences are just the tip of the iceberg. Or like the famous minister Hai Gangfeng, if the tulip bubble occurred under his rule, how would he deal with it? Or how would they deal with the use of slave labor in the Batavia Sugar Factory?

This is the so-called "Tao".

The "Spring and Autumn Annals" can be used to decide cases, but what if someone wants to use "Xia Dong" to decide cases? What if they want to use "Mozi" to decide cases? What if they want to use "Xunzi" to decide cases? What if they want to use "Han Feizi" to decide cases?

The results will definitely be different. I am afraid that the attitude of "protecting relatives" in the first stage will definitely be completely different.

Even the Confucian scholars in Japan know that they use the banner of retro, use the ancient books of the pre-Qin period to reform the system, and say that they are Confucian scholars but do the legal, Mohist, and criminal names. How could Dashun not understand?

How could the emperor not know that with the Thirteen Classics, he can interpret ten thousand completely different moral principles, and they can all be under the banner of orthodox Confucianism.

Not to mention the Thirteen Classics, even if it is a simple sentence "The people can be made to follow it, but not to know it", if you can't interpret it in more than three completely opposite ways, it means that Dashun has no talents.

The development of Ezo, the future governance of Nanyang, and the possible prosperity of industry and commerce in the future cannot be governed by the current set of things.

However, the emperor only allows this set of things to be handled on a special basis now, accumulate experience, and see the effect in the future.

He will never allow the emergence of a new kind of knowledge like Jing Gong's new learning and Xinxue to interpret all this as "in line with the laws of nature".

Even if it is proven in the future that this set of things is indeed feasible and will not affect the imperial power or threaten the rule, it can only be proposed by later generations, and it is absolutely impossible for Liu Yu to propose it at this time.

It is okay to propose it.

Leave the center, deprive of the title, and do not participate in the government, just like Li Zhi of the previous dynasty, Yan Yuan, Li Zhen of this dynasty, and go home to play and say whatever you like.

Liu Yu had been mentioned by Tian Zhenyi for a long time, so he responded simply and directly cited Wang Anshi's example. It seems to be saying, look at Wang Anshi's reform, but Wang Anshi also relied on the old knowledge to pass the imperial examination. Can a person who almost won the first prize in the old knowledge be able to do new things?

In fact, it was like expressing his position to the emperor: Once the Nanyang matter is over, I will be done with my worries. After Li Weifeng died of the Turks, he squatted at home and closed the door, paying no attention to anything outside. So will I then.

Anyway, anyone can handle things outside, and new things and old knowledge can be solved as well. If there is one less of me, there is no shortage, and if there is more of me, there is no gain. If you tie up a dog, you can probably handle it well. It's just like a calf learning to pull a plow. Just learn.

This answer satisfied the emperor very much. The emperor had already approved Liu Yu's voyage to the West, and almost acquiesced that when he returned from the West, he would be the commander-in-chief to conquer Nanyang.

It’s not that it won’t be used anymore, it’s that emerging things won’t use it anymore.

Whether it is industry and commerce, the development of Ezo, the governor of Nanyang, etc., people outside his influence will be chosen to ensure that these new things can still operate without Liu Yu's people.

If Liu Yu insists on retiring, then let him take charge of the Academy of Sciences and be made a Duke. He will have unlimited honors and enjoy his life.

If he still wants to contribute to the country, he can be allowed to supervise "old" things such as water control, water transportation reform, and land tax inspections.

The question just now would have been completely different if Liu Yu had blurted out something like "A person from the imperial examination can manage a lot of industry and commerce, factory handicrafts, joint-stock companies, and Nanyang colonies."

Although... this may be true.

But in the court, Liu Yu, who was under twenty years old more than ten years ago, told the truth that "a newborn calf is not afraid of tigers and is brave enough to be my champion"; now, that is suicidal.

The court was originally a place where people were forced to tell lies.

After telling the lie, Liu Yu felt comfortable and the emperor was also happy. He took advantage of the situation and said, "What Marquis Jing said is true. Why did you come to the Western Regions before the Han Dynasty? Who knew that he should be the Protector of the Western Regions? Isn't it the same in the future? Is it good?"

"Everything has advantages and disadvantages. Those who want to boost industry and commerce will talk more about the advantages; those who want to focus on agriculture as their foundation, talk more about the disadvantages."

"As the saying goes, if you listen to both, you will be enlightened, but if you believe only, you will be dark. I am at the top, and things below will ultimately depend on listening."

"Nowadays, it is a good thing to talk about advantages and disadvantages; even to talk about advantages and disadvantages. After all, no one has ever seen these new things. Even though the whale prince understands, he is only inferring and guessing, and he has no idea. If you belong, you will naturally only see benefits.”

"I think so, and appoint a minister to supervise the industrial and commercial affairs in Songjiang, Zhili, and Wendeng. All major and minor matters will be summarized and reported within three to five years, so as to serve as the teacher and the support of future generations. He will only be responsible for industrial and commercial matters and ignore other matters. Civil and military affairs.”

"It is unprecedented for Suzhou Prefecture to call for a break, but once it is dealt with once, there will be others to follow in the future."

"Changzhou County is called Xie, and the affairs of one county go directly to Tianque. But after the monument is erected, a county magistrate can handle it."

"Today special matters will be dealt with, and tomorrow it will be a law and a law. It will only be a matter of one county or one state. A county prime minister can judge and a subordinate official can decide."

"As for the pros and cons, I am not a person who doesn't know right from wrong. I have been considering the pros and cons for myself for several years."

Liu Yu thought to himself that your pros and cons may not be my pros and cons, and the Li family's pros and cons may not be China's pros and cons.

But you can't see anything now. You can't see the really dangerous things yet.

In this case, you can toss it however you like. Not opposing is itself a form of support.

"I think what your majesty said is justified. As I stand here, everyone knows that I support the navy and industry and commerce. Therefore, my eyes can only see the advantages, but not necessarily the disadvantages."

"Your Majesty has seen it with his own eyes and made a sage decision. People like Zibichen, who can only see half of it when blindfolded, can see it more clearly."

"Since it is a special matter, it must be done after all. Only by doing it can you know whether it is good or bad, pros or cons. I also hope that after a few years, I can see clearly whether the pros outweigh the cons, or the cons outweigh the pros."

The emperor smiled and nodded, thinking that you are still worried that this matter will turn into "natural" air-to-air nonsense again. After all, we don’t say pros or cons, but “the pros outweigh the cons” or “the cons outweigh the pros”.

Discussing the pros and cons is in itself a kind of progress.

Because the prerequisite for talking about pros and cons is to recognize the merits and benefits.

If the country is governed by pure moral education, moral education will not do more good than harm or more harm than good, and there will be no big or small mistakes.

There is only right or wrong.

In order to reassure Liu Yu, the emperor smiled and said: "The benefits are like having a glass window, the treasury is full, and the refugees have something to do. As long as the court can still control it, the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. I am not greedy because I have too much silver. To provide disaster relief and protect the country and the people, we can’t do it without banks.”