Glory of the Sun God (Marvel Sun God)
Chapter 2088: Machine Contradiction and Stubborn Thinking
"I won't have any gratitude to a tool just because it performs the function it is supposed to perform. It is just a tool."
Faced with Alexia's question, the boss once again stated his own point of view.Of course, he also knew that it was actually inappropriate to say this, especially from a human standpoint, which seemed a little bit ungrateful.So he immediately came up with another theory of his and argued with Alexia.
"It's not that I don't know how to be grateful, madam. But you have to know what kind of existence is behind that terrible machine. A computer or a computer with its own thinking. I really don't understand why the government With such a big heart, you dare to let such a guy appear openly in front of everyone. Don’t they know what a threat is?”
"That's intelligent life, sir. It's a miracle brewed by modern technology."
"I don't know what a miracle is. I only know that when the atomic bomb came out, people also called it a miracle. But now, it hurts our own people even more than it does our enemies."
He raised his voice, as if doing so would make him more verbally overwhelming.The boss continued his opinion.
"We have not even completely solved our own problems, so we set foot in the realm of gods without permission. The result of this is that we will inevitably create an existence that is beyond our control. And look at the power that guy shows , is that something that humans can do? He is learning and surpassing humans, surpassing his creator, and wants to be on par with gods. And under the premise that he is already a big step ahead of us, who can guarantee that he will Serve us as you always do, as we serve God. Instead of kicking us out and replacing us."
This fearful thought was not beyond Alexia's expectation. She knew very well that a similar thought was probably in the minds of most conservative people.
There's nothing surprising about this.Because science has always been just a concept for this kind of people.They never take the initiative to understand the limits of science, and anything beyond their cognitive scope will be rejected by them.Like Ultron, probably their only impression is the classic science fiction movie from more than 20 years ago.But apart from this point, it is probably unrealistic for them to make some fair evaluations of Ultron.
As Alexia expected, the boss soon started to bring up old jokes.
"I don't know if you have ever seen an old movie. You probably don't have much of an impression based on your grade. If you have seen that, you will have some idea of what I am doing. Because that has revealed a transcendence. What exactly will the computer we control do? It will control everything in the world, and then systematically annihilate all human beings, trying to replace us with the things it creates and become the master of the world. .Don’t believe it, young people, all developments are similar.”
"First let the big guys be proud of the robots. They think this is their achievement, but who knows if this is the conspiracy of the computer. Then let these robots replace our police and military, so as to deprive us of all our resistance power. In the end, maybe he stood directly on the TV and openly announced his rule over all of us, and the fact that humans have become their slaves. If this happened tomorrow, I would not be surprised at all."
"That's just a movie, sir. Reality will not develop like in the movie, especially since there is no logic in that development."
Alexia retorted appropriately, but this rebuttal seemed to irritate the boss's nerves, causing him to immediately blow his beard and glare.
"What does it mean to be illogical? Does the movie have to be illogical? You highly educated people just like to think that you are right. Let me tell you, I have experienced many things in my life, and in your opinion, these things are just like what happened in the movie. The same."
"Have you ever seen a few people chase down dozens of people with just four guns? Have you ever seen someone burn a tank into scrap metal with just a wine bottle? No, you haven't seen it. If you only think according to your ridiculous scientific logic, you will not believe it at all and regard it as delusion. However, these are all things that happened before my eyes and I have personally experienced them. What can you say?"
It seems that he suffered some unfair treatment when he was young. When it comes to scientific and logical issues, this boss seems to be making excuses.Of course, his use of excuses did not interfere with Alexia's judgment. She could clearly identify that there was more or less the suspicion of changing concepts in the nonsense he said.
This is just a trick.Many people think that those who engage in scientific research must be dull-minded and poor at speaking.In fact, this is pure prejudice, the self-comfort that those chicken-soup-style Gods give you by closing the door and opening the window.You must know that science is the most logical discipline, and the basis of language is also logic.You expect that a group of people who can use formulas and calculations to solve problems that are so complex that you can't even understand a symbol will lose to you in language and logic. This is no easier than a disabled person trying to compete with the world champion in high jump and long jump. .
Most of the time, they are dull and inarticulate, and they just don't like to communicate with ordinary people.It's like saying that ordinary people don't like to communicate with mentally retarded people. In their eyes, ordinary people are probably about the same as mentally retarded people.If you remove this prejudice and give them a fearless temper, then basically any professional scientist can transform into Tony Stark and attack you to the point where you don't even know your own mother at any time.
Alexia, as one of them, can certainly detect the loopholes and ridiculousness of his logic.And since she wanted to find out the intentions of these people, of course she couldn't just laugh it off like ordinary people and save face for the boss.She's just here to find fault.Precisely because of this, she unceremoniously adopted a dignified but not overbearing attitude, as if you were a student sitting in the audience and she was a teacher standing on the stage, facing the boss like this. Speaking.
"Sir, I don't understand what happened to you that makes you have such a prejudice against science. But what I want to tell you is that you cannot completely deny science just because of your own experiences. This science The reason why disciplines have become the foundation of the entire human society is because they have irreversible truths. When it comes to Ultron and the robots he created, there is no logic to support the things you worry about. .”
"If Ultron and those omnics are considered as one species, the ecological environment they need has nothing to do with humans. The movie considers the relationship between the two based on the law of species competition. This is actually not true. Correct. Because fundamentally, there is no competitive relationship between the two."
"All natural substances needed by human beings, air, water, food, and even all social substances, money, and entertainment are not necessary consumables for machine life. They have no need for them, and they are even said to be the manufacturers of these substances It is a consumer rather than a consumer. Except for energy, and energy, on the premise that humans have developed nearly unlimited nuclear fusion energy, there is simply no possibility of using energy as a conflict."
"Even if human beings kill each other and lead to the extinction of the race, they are more likely to be destroyed by intelligent life forms like Ultron. Because human beings still have survival and racial conflicts. How will these conflicts brew? It’s not surprising to a certain extent. But machines, machines and us can’t even exist in contradiction, so how can they become the culprits of our destruction?”
"That's just your opinion, ma'am."
Standing in front of such a conclusive statement that cannot be refuted at all, the boss feels that the words he used to brag and complain in the past are really not confrontational.But it was impossible for him to admit that what the other party said was true and that his idea was just a groundless worry.
This not only subverted his remarks, but also subverted his life.You know, he has relied on this attitude of questioning science for half his life. If he becomes a supporter of science, it will be no easier than killing him.
Of course he refused to give in, and in order to stick to his position, he did his best to use all the examples he could think of to refute this point of view.
"You said there is no contradiction between humans and machines, so why do so many workers lose their jobs because factories adopt machines and become unemployed people who can only wander the streets?"
"You have got the wrong person, sir. This is not a contradiction between man and machine, but a contradiction between workers and capitalists. From the perspective of capitalists, workers' needs are higher than the needs of machines, and workers' output is lower than the output of machines. Of course they will choose the machine. Even if you are sitting in that position, you will choose this way. Because this is the most optimized and the most beneficial. The machine only plays an instrumental role in the middle, and it has no initiative to interact with you. What are you fighting for? It’s just the conflict between you and the capitalists that makes them make a choice.”
"Society has always developed like this. Just like wool workers will be replaced by textile machines. More advanced production methods are destined to make some people unemployed, but at the same time, this will also provide additional employment opportunities. Just look It’s just about whether you can seize the opportunity.”
"But in the final analysis, aren't our jobs still being taken away by those machines?"
The boss had heard this kind of long argument more than once, and just like before, he chose to ignore the straightforward truth and cling to the core of the contradiction.
"I don't care whether society develops or not. I only know that there are a group of men who should have jobs who have lost their jobs because of those machines. Their children are hungry and their wives are wiping tears. They have no strength and skills but There's just no place for it, which is why I don't like machines."
"I probably understand what you mean when you say that. You think that the prevalence of machines will lead to an increase in human unemployment, which will lead to a series of social problems in disguise, right?"
Is that what I think? The boss was confused for a moment. He dared to swear on the name of his dead father that he really didn’t think that much, but in front of a woman like Alexia, he was really embarrassed to say that he Thinking too shallowly.So he could only bite the bullet and nodded.
"Yes, I just can't accept this kind of thing. Why should we ordinary people pay for the so-called social development? But social development must be based on the sacrifices of us ordinary people?"
"Well, if you say so, then make a choice, sir."
Alexia was noncommittal on this question.She just changed the topic and said this.
"Two choices. First, are you willing to be a working class person and work in factories all your life? The material you get can only satisfy the food and clothing of the whole family, allowing you to barely support your children through community college, and then let them Come and take over your shift and continue to be a worker. Or do you want to change to a way where you can do whatever you want and get a good salary no matter what job you do? At the same time, the social welfare can also reach the level that allows you to continue to work. It doesn’t matter if you don’t work, you can live a comfortable and comfortable life with everything you need.”
"This is impossible"
Upon hearing this, the boss shook his head.The welfare benefits in Europe are already some of the best on earth.But even the best of them cannot be said to be able to support such benefits.This is no longer reality, it is simply a dream.
"I mean, if"
"Then of course I will choose the second one, I'm not a fool."
No matter what race you are, your demands are the same.Even if you can stand, who would want to kneel down to make money? If you can lie down, who would think about working? It's all due to reality and helplessness.For almost all normal people, they all want to live a life where they can meet their daily needs by doing nothing.It's just that this is impossible.
Of course, this impossibility is not necessarily impossible, at least not from Alexia's point of view.
"If you really want to choose the second option, then you should not reject machines like Ultron. Because you have to understand that their appearance means a leap in productivity, and only when productivity leaps to a certain level can they appear. The second possibility I described."
"Machines have no needs. Everything they create is for humankind. And when one day, the materials they create exceed the overall needs of human society, then the day I described will become a reality. . And is this day far away? From the perspective of the development of modern science and technology, it is actually not far away, as long as no one hinders it. "
As she said this, she began to look at her boss's expression.And just as she expected, the boss also showed a fascinated expression for a moment.But soon, he shook his head and became stubborn again.
"Sorry, I still don't believe it. I don't think anyone in this world can be so kind. Human beings are not like this, let alone a machine. Instead of letting me believe that everything he did was for such a purpose, I I’d rather believe what’s in the movie, that everything he does is a conspiracy.”
"Yes, this is supposed to be a conspiracy. Those governments, maybe they have been controlled. Otherwise, how could they be so indulgent. Damn, they are a bunch of shit."
He took out the wine bottle from under the counter and poured himself a full glass of strong liquor. As the boss drank it down, he also began to end his words with some murmur that no one could hear clearly.
This meant the end of the topic, but Alexia had already gotten the answer she wanted.
She has seen clearly the ridiculous nature of human beings
:. :
put this rack
Faced with Alexia's question, the boss once again stated his own point of view.Of course, he also knew that it was actually inappropriate to say this, especially from a human standpoint, which seemed a little bit ungrateful.So he immediately came up with another theory of his and argued with Alexia.
"It's not that I don't know how to be grateful, madam. But you have to know what kind of existence is behind that terrible machine. A computer or a computer with its own thinking. I really don't understand why the government With such a big heart, you dare to let such a guy appear openly in front of everyone. Don’t they know what a threat is?”
"That's intelligent life, sir. It's a miracle brewed by modern technology."
"I don't know what a miracle is. I only know that when the atomic bomb came out, people also called it a miracle. But now, it hurts our own people even more than it does our enemies."
He raised his voice, as if doing so would make him more verbally overwhelming.The boss continued his opinion.
"We have not even completely solved our own problems, so we set foot in the realm of gods without permission. The result of this is that we will inevitably create an existence that is beyond our control. And look at the power that guy shows , is that something that humans can do? He is learning and surpassing humans, surpassing his creator, and wants to be on par with gods. And under the premise that he is already a big step ahead of us, who can guarantee that he will Serve us as you always do, as we serve God. Instead of kicking us out and replacing us."
This fearful thought was not beyond Alexia's expectation. She knew very well that a similar thought was probably in the minds of most conservative people.
There's nothing surprising about this.Because science has always been just a concept for this kind of people.They never take the initiative to understand the limits of science, and anything beyond their cognitive scope will be rejected by them.Like Ultron, probably their only impression is the classic science fiction movie from more than 20 years ago.But apart from this point, it is probably unrealistic for them to make some fair evaluations of Ultron.
As Alexia expected, the boss soon started to bring up old jokes.
"I don't know if you have ever seen an old movie. You probably don't have much of an impression based on your grade. If you have seen that, you will have some idea of what I am doing. Because that has revealed a transcendence. What exactly will the computer we control do? It will control everything in the world, and then systematically annihilate all human beings, trying to replace us with the things it creates and become the master of the world. .Don’t believe it, young people, all developments are similar.”
"First let the big guys be proud of the robots. They think this is their achievement, but who knows if this is the conspiracy of the computer. Then let these robots replace our police and military, so as to deprive us of all our resistance power. In the end, maybe he stood directly on the TV and openly announced his rule over all of us, and the fact that humans have become their slaves. If this happened tomorrow, I would not be surprised at all."
"That's just a movie, sir. Reality will not develop like in the movie, especially since there is no logic in that development."
Alexia retorted appropriately, but this rebuttal seemed to irritate the boss's nerves, causing him to immediately blow his beard and glare.
"What does it mean to be illogical? Does the movie have to be illogical? You highly educated people just like to think that you are right. Let me tell you, I have experienced many things in my life, and in your opinion, these things are just like what happened in the movie. The same."
"Have you ever seen a few people chase down dozens of people with just four guns? Have you ever seen someone burn a tank into scrap metal with just a wine bottle? No, you haven't seen it. If you only think according to your ridiculous scientific logic, you will not believe it at all and regard it as delusion. However, these are all things that happened before my eyes and I have personally experienced them. What can you say?"
It seems that he suffered some unfair treatment when he was young. When it comes to scientific and logical issues, this boss seems to be making excuses.Of course, his use of excuses did not interfere with Alexia's judgment. She could clearly identify that there was more or less the suspicion of changing concepts in the nonsense he said.
This is just a trick.Many people think that those who engage in scientific research must be dull-minded and poor at speaking.In fact, this is pure prejudice, the self-comfort that those chicken-soup-style Gods give you by closing the door and opening the window.You must know that science is the most logical discipline, and the basis of language is also logic.You expect that a group of people who can use formulas and calculations to solve problems that are so complex that you can't even understand a symbol will lose to you in language and logic. This is no easier than a disabled person trying to compete with the world champion in high jump and long jump. .
Most of the time, they are dull and inarticulate, and they just don't like to communicate with ordinary people.It's like saying that ordinary people don't like to communicate with mentally retarded people. In their eyes, ordinary people are probably about the same as mentally retarded people.If you remove this prejudice and give them a fearless temper, then basically any professional scientist can transform into Tony Stark and attack you to the point where you don't even know your own mother at any time.
Alexia, as one of them, can certainly detect the loopholes and ridiculousness of his logic.And since she wanted to find out the intentions of these people, of course she couldn't just laugh it off like ordinary people and save face for the boss.She's just here to find fault.Precisely because of this, she unceremoniously adopted a dignified but not overbearing attitude, as if you were a student sitting in the audience and she was a teacher standing on the stage, facing the boss like this. Speaking.
"Sir, I don't understand what happened to you that makes you have such a prejudice against science. But what I want to tell you is that you cannot completely deny science just because of your own experiences. This science The reason why disciplines have become the foundation of the entire human society is because they have irreversible truths. When it comes to Ultron and the robots he created, there is no logic to support the things you worry about. .”
"If Ultron and those omnics are considered as one species, the ecological environment they need has nothing to do with humans. The movie considers the relationship between the two based on the law of species competition. This is actually not true. Correct. Because fundamentally, there is no competitive relationship between the two."
"All natural substances needed by human beings, air, water, food, and even all social substances, money, and entertainment are not necessary consumables for machine life. They have no need for them, and they are even said to be the manufacturers of these substances It is a consumer rather than a consumer. Except for energy, and energy, on the premise that humans have developed nearly unlimited nuclear fusion energy, there is simply no possibility of using energy as a conflict."
"Even if human beings kill each other and lead to the extinction of the race, they are more likely to be destroyed by intelligent life forms like Ultron. Because human beings still have survival and racial conflicts. How will these conflicts brew? It’s not surprising to a certain extent. But machines, machines and us can’t even exist in contradiction, so how can they become the culprits of our destruction?”
"That's just your opinion, ma'am."
Standing in front of such a conclusive statement that cannot be refuted at all, the boss feels that the words he used to brag and complain in the past are really not confrontational.But it was impossible for him to admit that what the other party said was true and that his idea was just a groundless worry.
This not only subverted his remarks, but also subverted his life.You know, he has relied on this attitude of questioning science for half his life. If he becomes a supporter of science, it will be no easier than killing him.
Of course he refused to give in, and in order to stick to his position, he did his best to use all the examples he could think of to refute this point of view.
"You said there is no contradiction between humans and machines, so why do so many workers lose their jobs because factories adopt machines and become unemployed people who can only wander the streets?"
"You have got the wrong person, sir. This is not a contradiction between man and machine, but a contradiction between workers and capitalists. From the perspective of capitalists, workers' needs are higher than the needs of machines, and workers' output is lower than the output of machines. Of course they will choose the machine. Even if you are sitting in that position, you will choose this way. Because this is the most optimized and the most beneficial. The machine only plays an instrumental role in the middle, and it has no initiative to interact with you. What are you fighting for? It’s just the conflict between you and the capitalists that makes them make a choice.”
"Society has always developed like this. Just like wool workers will be replaced by textile machines. More advanced production methods are destined to make some people unemployed, but at the same time, this will also provide additional employment opportunities. Just look It’s just about whether you can seize the opportunity.”
"But in the final analysis, aren't our jobs still being taken away by those machines?"
The boss had heard this kind of long argument more than once, and just like before, he chose to ignore the straightforward truth and cling to the core of the contradiction.
"I don't care whether society develops or not. I only know that there are a group of men who should have jobs who have lost their jobs because of those machines. Their children are hungry and their wives are wiping tears. They have no strength and skills but There's just no place for it, which is why I don't like machines."
"I probably understand what you mean when you say that. You think that the prevalence of machines will lead to an increase in human unemployment, which will lead to a series of social problems in disguise, right?"
Is that what I think? The boss was confused for a moment. He dared to swear on the name of his dead father that he really didn’t think that much, but in front of a woman like Alexia, he was really embarrassed to say that he Thinking too shallowly.So he could only bite the bullet and nodded.
"Yes, I just can't accept this kind of thing. Why should we ordinary people pay for the so-called social development? But social development must be based on the sacrifices of us ordinary people?"
"Well, if you say so, then make a choice, sir."
Alexia was noncommittal on this question.She just changed the topic and said this.
"Two choices. First, are you willing to be a working class person and work in factories all your life? The material you get can only satisfy the food and clothing of the whole family, allowing you to barely support your children through community college, and then let them Come and take over your shift and continue to be a worker. Or do you want to change to a way where you can do whatever you want and get a good salary no matter what job you do? At the same time, the social welfare can also reach the level that allows you to continue to work. It doesn’t matter if you don’t work, you can live a comfortable and comfortable life with everything you need.”
"This is impossible"
Upon hearing this, the boss shook his head.The welfare benefits in Europe are already some of the best on earth.But even the best of them cannot be said to be able to support such benefits.This is no longer reality, it is simply a dream.
"I mean, if"
"Then of course I will choose the second one, I'm not a fool."
No matter what race you are, your demands are the same.Even if you can stand, who would want to kneel down to make money? If you can lie down, who would think about working? It's all due to reality and helplessness.For almost all normal people, they all want to live a life where they can meet their daily needs by doing nothing.It's just that this is impossible.
Of course, this impossibility is not necessarily impossible, at least not from Alexia's point of view.
"If you really want to choose the second option, then you should not reject machines like Ultron. Because you have to understand that their appearance means a leap in productivity, and only when productivity leaps to a certain level can they appear. The second possibility I described."
"Machines have no needs. Everything they create is for humankind. And when one day, the materials they create exceed the overall needs of human society, then the day I described will become a reality. . And is this day far away? From the perspective of the development of modern science and technology, it is actually not far away, as long as no one hinders it. "
As she said this, she began to look at her boss's expression.And just as she expected, the boss also showed a fascinated expression for a moment.But soon, he shook his head and became stubborn again.
"Sorry, I still don't believe it. I don't think anyone in this world can be so kind. Human beings are not like this, let alone a machine. Instead of letting me believe that everything he did was for such a purpose, I I’d rather believe what’s in the movie, that everything he does is a conspiracy.”
"Yes, this is supposed to be a conspiracy. Those governments, maybe they have been controlled. Otherwise, how could they be so indulgent. Damn, they are a bunch of shit."
He took out the wine bottle from under the counter and poured himself a full glass of strong liquor. As the boss drank it down, he also began to end his words with some murmur that no one could hear clearly.
This meant the end of the topic, but Alexia had already gotten the answer she wanted.
She has seen clearly the ridiculous nature of human beings
:. :
put this rack
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