Datang: I am the prince of salted fish, I impeach Li Er at the beginning
Chapter 128 Destroying Heavenly Principles, Preserving Human Desires
Chapter 128 Destroying Heavenly Principles, Preserving Human Desires
"Don't you feel guilty when you say that?"
Li Chungang smiled, and he said in a teasing tone: "You must be more aware of Qi Wang Li You than Pindao. Qi Wang relied on his status to do whatever he wanted in Chang'an City! It is impossible to count. You said that people will not be killed for no reason, in the eyes of Pindao, you are suspected of lying with your eyes open."
"This is the Daoist's mistake." Although he was ridiculed, Li Zhi was not guilty, he said frankly: "Although Li You exists, it is just an example after all, not everyone is King Qi, Not everyone has the guts to do harm to the world. Most of the dignitaries will still be bound by the laws of the Tang Dynasty, and they will still care about other people's opinions."
"Yes, but it's just that they care about other people's opinions. This doesn't mean that the status of the common people can be much higher than that of the pre-Qin Dynasty. It can only be said that the superiors have scruples and dare not do anything else."
Speaking of this, Li Chungang seemed to be aroused to win, and his state of talking gradually became high.
He didn't have the kind of indifference to everything in the beginning, but he was like a warrior, full of fighting spirit.
Li Zhi saw the change in the status of the old man, and the smile on his face became more obvious: "You see, you said it yourself, at this time the superiors have scruples and dare not mess around. This in itself is a kind of progress, isn't it? Why can't this be our goal?"
Li Chungang frowned slightly, and said in disapproval: "But in essence, it is still the same. The common people are still the targets of oppression. Just because the number of times of oppression has decreased, it cannot be said that the power of the powerful has been restricted."
To this, Li Zhi also disagreed, and he said with a sigh: "You can't just look at the essence of things, you have to look at the appearance! It is an inevitable phenomenon to destroy the laws of nature and keep people's desires! But this does not mean that This process must be bloody. It can also be peaceful, it can be harmless, at least it can be free of physical conflict. If it can be done this way, isn't this all worth our efforts?"
The so-called extermination of the law of heaven is unreasonable.
Throughout human history, human beings themselves are creatures who can understand reason, but never reason.
That's why Li Zhicai said that destroying the law of heaven is an inevitable phenomenon.
As for why it is said that human beings are unreasonable?
Then we have to talk about the word "human desire".
The so-called human desires can be understood as human desires or human thoughts.
As long as they are alive, their attitude towards the world is the same.
That is to hope that everyone is a moral model, that everyone is a selfless saint, and that everyone can make sacrifices for the group.
But only, not including myself.
Be strict with others and be lenient with yourself, this is what people are like!
This is human desire!
Selfishness is something that is inscribed in our genes, and that will never change.
For this reason.
People's reasoning will change according to their positions.
When reason is beneficial to oneself, people will admit the existence of reason.
But when this principle is not good for oneself, even if it is indeed the law of heaven, people can ignore it.
So, the conclusion is.
People don't care about such things as heaven's law!
What people care about is their position.
After acknowledging the baseness of human nature and its unchangeable characteristics, it is very hopeless to draw conclusions.
As Li Chungang said, the essence of society has never changed since thousands of years ago.
What has changed is only the appearance.
The status of the people seems to have improved.
But in fact, they are still the people at the bottom who are persecuted by the top.
After Li Chungang heard this, he was silent for a while.
He seemed to be convinced by Li Zhi's words, but he lacked a key piece of evidence.
After a long time, Li Chungang said in a daze: "Perhaps what you said has some truth, but how can you prove that the lives of the people now are better than in the past?"
"Hasn't history already proved it?" Li Zhi looked at Li Chungang with a serious expression, and said, "The people of the Qin people are not as good as pigs and dogs, but the people of today... can be regarded as pigs and dogs anyway, this is the progress of the system. "
"It's just your one-sided rhetoric, and you can't prove what you said." Li Chungang thought for a while, and came up with a relatively easy example to prove: "Three Kingdoms contend for supremacy, Wei and Jin chaos, Wuhu chaos, North-South confrontation, Entering the chaotic world for hundreds of years is not much better than the pre-Qin period, if you want to say that you have made progress, the poor will not agree, but from the perspective of history alone, it is more accurate to say that you have regressed."
"You can't just look at the troubled times, you have to look at the prosperous Tang Dynasty too, right?" Li Zhi pointed helplessly at the West Market in the distance, letting Li Chungang take a look at the prosperity of the West Market.
But Li Chungang shook his head slowly: "If there is yin, there must be yang, and if there is prosperity, there must be decline. Today is indeed a prosperous age, so you can use the prosperous age as an example, but when it comes to the end of the Tang Dynasty? How sure are you? Is the chaotic times at the end of the Tang Dynasty better than the chaos in Wuhu?"
After the end of Tang Dynasty came the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms.
From a historical point of view, the chaos of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms is indeed no better than the chaos of the Five Dynasties.
There is no need to talk about the history after that.
The shame of Jingkang, the hatred of subjugation.
The country's most important weapon has changed hands twice, and the common people are living in dire straits during this period.
It is indeed nonsense to say that the history of later generations is better than the previous ones.
Judging from the laws of history, this old-fashioned vision can indeed be called vicious.
But his gaze wasn't far enough away, it was still too close.
He cannot see the world a thousand and four hundred years from now.
He didn't know that this land would undergo earth-shaking changes at that time.
But it would be too harsh to accuse an ancient philosopher of not being able to see the world a thousand years later.
Isn't it normal to feel hopeless about changing the world with a limited vision?
Let alone Li Chungang.
In the 5000 years that have passed in China, who can predict the changes that will occur in the [-]th century AD?
If anyone can have such a long-term vision, the world has already entered industrialization.
There is no need to wait until 400 years later.
Li Zhi thought about the history of later generations, and couldn't say any words to refute Li Chungang.
He could have ignored the knowledge he had learned, and messed around with this old Taoist priest, saying that the country of the Tang Dynasty would last forever, and there would be no troubled times.
After all, no one can prove what will happen in the future. This is an unsolvable issue at all.
But what's the point?
To delude yourself into thinking you've won an argument against a great man of the highest ideology?
Li Zhi couldn't do such a stupid thing.
(End of this chapter)
"Don't you feel guilty when you say that?"
Li Chungang smiled, and he said in a teasing tone: "You must be more aware of Qi Wang Li You than Pindao. Qi Wang relied on his status to do whatever he wanted in Chang'an City! It is impossible to count. You said that people will not be killed for no reason, in the eyes of Pindao, you are suspected of lying with your eyes open."
"This is the Daoist's mistake." Although he was ridiculed, Li Zhi was not guilty, he said frankly: "Although Li You exists, it is just an example after all, not everyone is King Qi, Not everyone has the guts to do harm to the world. Most of the dignitaries will still be bound by the laws of the Tang Dynasty, and they will still care about other people's opinions."
"Yes, but it's just that they care about other people's opinions. This doesn't mean that the status of the common people can be much higher than that of the pre-Qin Dynasty. It can only be said that the superiors have scruples and dare not do anything else."
Speaking of this, Li Chungang seemed to be aroused to win, and his state of talking gradually became high.
He didn't have the kind of indifference to everything in the beginning, but he was like a warrior, full of fighting spirit.
Li Zhi saw the change in the status of the old man, and the smile on his face became more obvious: "You see, you said it yourself, at this time the superiors have scruples and dare not mess around. This in itself is a kind of progress, isn't it? Why can't this be our goal?"
Li Chungang frowned slightly, and said in disapproval: "But in essence, it is still the same. The common people are still the targets of oppression. Just because the number of times of oppression has decreased, it cannot be said that the power of the powerful has been restricted."
To this, Li Zhi also disagreed, and he said with a sigh: "You can't just look at the essence of things, you have to look at the appearance! It is an inevitable phenomenon to destroy the laws of nature and keep people's desires! But this does not mean that This process must be bloody. It can also be peaceful, it can be harmless, at least it can be free of physical conflict. If it can be done this way, isn't this all worth our efforts?"
The so-called extermination of the law of heaven is unreasonable.
Throughout human history, human beings themselves are creatures who can understand reason, but never reason.
That's why Li Zhicai said that destroying the law of heaven is an inevitable phenomenon.
As for why it is said that human beings are unreasonable?
Then we have to talk about the word "human desire".
The so-called human desires can be understood as human desires or human thoughts.
As long as they are alive, their attitude towards the world is the same.
That is to hope that everyone is a moral model, that everyone is a selfless saint, and that everyone can make sacrifices for the group.
But only, not including myself.
Be strict with others and be lenient with yourself, this is what people are like!
This is human desire!
Selfishness is something that is inscribed in our genes, and that will never change.
For this reason.
People's reasoning will change according to their positions.
When reason is beneficial to oneself, people will admit the existence of reason.
But when this principle is not good for oneself, even if it is indeed the law of heaven, people can ignore it.
So, the conclusion is.
People don't care about such things as heaven's law!
What people care about is their position.
After acknowledging the baseness of human nature and its unchangeable characteristics, it is very hopeless to draw conclusions.
As Li Chungang said, the essence of society has never changed since thousands of years ago.
What has changed is only the appearance.
The status of the people seems to have improved.
But in fact, they are still the people at the bottom who are persecuted by the top.
After Li Chungang heard this, he was silent for a while.
He seemed to be convinced by Li Zhi's words, but he lacked a key piece of evidence.
After a long time, Li Chungang said in a daze: "Perhaps what you said has some truth, but how can you prove that the lives of the people now are better than in the past?"
"Hasn't history already proved it?" Li Zhi looked at Li Chungang with a serious expression, and said, "The people of the Qin people are not as good as pigs and dogs, but the people of today... can be regarded as pigs and dogs anyway, this is the progress of the system. "
"It's just your one-sided rhetoric, and you can't prove what you said." Li Chungang thought for a while, and came up with a relatively easy example to prove: "Three Kingdoms contend for supremacy, Wei and Jin chaos, Wuhu chaos, North-South confrontation, Entering the chaotic world for hundreds of years is not much better than the pre-Qin period, if you want to say that you have made progress, the poor will not agree, but from the perspective of history alone, it is more accurate to say that you have regressed."
"You can't just look at the troubled times, you have to look at the prosperous Tang Dynasty too, right?" Li Zhi pointed helplessly at the West Market in the distance, letting Li Chungang take a look at the prosperity of the West Market.
But Li Chungang shook his head slowly: "If there is yin, there must be yang, and if there is prosperity, there must be decline. Today is indeed a prosperous age, so you can use the prosperous age as an example, but when it comes to the end of the Tang Dynasty? How sure are you? Is the chaotic times at the end of the Tang Dynasty better than the chaos in Wuhu?"
After the end of Tang Dynasty came the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms.
From a historical point of view, the chaos of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms is indeed no better than the chaos of the Five Dynasties.
There is no need to talk about the history after that.
The shame of Jingkang, the hatred of subjugation.
The country's most important weapon has changed hands twice, and the common people are living in dire straits during this period.
It is indeed nonsense to say that the history of later generations is better than the previous ones.
Judging from the laws of history, this old-fashioned vision can indeed be called vicious.
But his gaze wasn't far enough away, it was still too close.
He cannot see the world a thousand and four hundred years from now.
He didn't know that this land would undergo earth-shaking changes at that time.
But it would be too harsh to accuse an ancient philosopher of not being able to see the world a thousand years later.
Isn't it normal to feel hopeless about changing the world with a limited vision?
Let alone Li Chungang.
In the 5000 years that have passed in China, who can predict the changes that will occur in the [-]th century AD?
If anyone can have such a long-term vision, the world has already entered industrialization.
There is no need to wait until 400 years later.
Li Zhi thought about the history of later generations, and couldn't say any words to refute Li Chungang.
He could have ignored the knowledge he had learned, and messed around with this old Taoist priest, saying that the country of the Tang Dynasty would last forever, and there would be no troubled times.
After all, no one can prove what will happen in the future. This is an unsolvable issue at all.
But what's the point?
To delude yourself into thinking you've won an argument against a great man of the highest ideology?
Li Zhi couldn't do such a stupid thing.
(End of this chapter)
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