Siren Blade
Chapter 113
Chapter 113
"Misunderstanding that science is the pursuit of truth" is the stupidity of fanatics?After hearing this, I was puzzled, and then asked logically, "Isn't science a study of the pursuit of truth?"
"I have already said that this is just Baiju's statement. Or you can also see it as Baiju's violent remarks on science, so there is no need to take it too seriously. Just take this as a premise and continue to listen to me Go on." Lie Que continued, "Let's start answering your question first. When you were a child in Chinese class, did the Chinese teacher tell you that when you describe the laws of nature that scientists have summed up from nature, you can't Scientists 'invented' the laws of nature, but only 'discovered'?"
"Yes." I said.
"However, human beings' summary of the laws of nature did not start in modern times. Human beings have been trying to summarize the laws of nature based on their own experience since ancient times. But looking back at the laws of nature summarized by the ancients from a modern perspective, it is inevitable that people will feel that Far-fetched and full of loopholes. Presumably the ancients would not admit that they were 'inventing' the laws of nature, but do you think the ancients' theories were 'discoveries'?" he asked.
"Of course not," I said.
"Our science has only really developed since modern times. Assuming that human civilization can continue until the [-]s and [-]s, people at that time may look at our theories and feel that they are full of far-fetched and full of flaws. Based on this premise, can you still firmly believe that the laws of nature written in textbooks are discovered rather than invented?" he asked.
I followed his words, "Probably not."
"However, even the future people of the [-]th and [-]th centuries can't say that their theories are discoveries rather than inventions. In fact, when we say 'discovered the laws of nature', we are tacitly implying that there is some kind of unchanging Laws objectively and truly exist in the ever-changing natural world, and the movement of matter is at the mercy of this metaphysical thing." He said, "Therefore, in many science fiction stories, there are things that can modify the laws of nature, or even change them from A weapon that modifies the universe on a mathematical level. Even many fantasy stories like to tell that the strong can comprehend and control a certain way after entering a high level, and then they can influence the world they live in from a metaphysical level. These science fiction and fantasy The story also has a major premise, that is, there is really something beyond matter in the universe that hides behind the scenes and controls the movement of all matter, and sci-fi weapons and fantasy powerhouses can manipulate everything by manipulating them. "
"But does any of this have anything to do with White Horses and Fanatics?" I asked.
"Baiju is a materialist. He thinks that the spirit body and spirituality are just another kind of matter and energy, and he is indifferent to the topic of whether there are metaphysical things that control everything. But fanatics and Bai Ju is different, in our words, he is an idealist, or it is more appropriate to say that he is an 'objective idealist'." He said, "A fanatic believes in those metaphysical things and wants to pursue and contact them. And his method is science. But Bai Ju told him directly in front of him that it is impossible for him to use science to reach that field."
"Why?" I asked.
"If it is said that the 'laws' and 'roads' that exist objectively and truly are the end of human beings' way of summarizing the laws of nature, then it is not an exaggeration to call them truth. But the purpose of science is not truth." He said, "Scientists When summarizing scientific theories, falsifiability is pursued instead of verifiability. Do you know why? Suppose a scientist proposes a theory that cockroaches all over the world are black. In order to prove his theory, he would have to test all the cockroaches in the world one by one. But even if the first [-] million cockroaches he found were all black, others would still be able to question 'maybe the next one will be white'. Because practice is the test The only standard of truth, so in order to defend the correctness of the theory, he can only continue to search."
"Actually, cockroaches that have just molted are white." I said.
"What?" He was stunned for a moment, and then continued, "In short... no matter how many cockroaches there are in the world, it is limited, but the number of test scenarios for scientific theories is close to infinite. And no matter how many times scientists test their theories , compared to the total value close to infinite, it is also close to infinitesimal, which means that any natural law discovered by scientists is actually unverifiable. Therefore, scientists give up the verifiability of the theory and pursue falsifiability.”
He continued, "Falsifiability is testability. If a scientist cannot thoroughly prove his conclusion, he must at least tell others how to test his theory. After other people have tested it and found that it is consistent with the theory, they must tentatively admit the scientist's theory. ...the more times a theory is tested, the more believable it is. A theory that is not falsifiable isn't even science, it's just talking on its own."
After thinking for a while, I said, "According to what you said earlier, isn't it true that we can't even prove the theory that 'a stone thrown up will fall to the ground'?"
"Yes. In fact, any scientific theory we have is suspicious, or unprovable." He said, "However, at least anyone can test such a small thing as a rock falling to the ground, and it has also been tested by astronomical scientists. The number of times at the digital level. Although we still can’t prove it, we can rest assured. And what about those extremely complicated cutting-edge scientific paths that only a very small number of people are qualified to participate in?”
"A fanatic seeks 'confirmation of theory', or 'truth', so science can't meet his needs?" I asked.
"That's right. Besides, if it is the truth, it must stand an infinite number of tests. The problem is that even if the truth is put into his hands, he can't spend an infinite amount of time to test that what he got is indeed true. Truth. After all, mortals cannot truly reach the truth.” He said, “But even so, he still believes in the existence of truth. In fact, it’s not just him, the reason why many scientists believe in God is also the same reason...”
He went on to say: The reason why many scientists believe in God is not because they expect an all-knowing and omnipotent Other behind the scenes of the universe, but because they expect the universe to have a "standard answer."
If the universe is likened to a riddle, and science is a riddle, then the party who guesses the riddle must always believe that the person who made the question has serious thinking and correct answers, so that he will have enough motivation and patience to continue guessing.
Just as qualified puzzles should not be randomly rolled out by face-rolling keyboards, the universe should not be born randomly by accident.How can it be?
The more cutting-edge scientists are, the more they can realize how precarious the theoretical building is, and the nature of science is doomed that no matter how much they guess about the universe, they will not be able to get the truth of the universe, and at most they can only get specious answers.Many scientists started out with curiosity about the world, unable to accept that the universe is actually a subjective comprehensive question that has neither a questioner nor a standard answer.In order to fight against this nothingness, some scientists will become materialists, and some scientists will devote themselves to the field of idealism.
Fanatics believe that the universe is rational, and that the universe is running meticulously in accordance with some eternal and unchanging order that transcends matter.And if you admit that matter only represents matter itself, then it is tantamount to admitting that the universe is actually chaotic, and all order exists only in your own mind.
Although it seems to outsiders that the natural world is really operating as expected by the scientists' theories, in fact, the theories summarized in the past have been overturned countless times, and they will be overturned countless times in the future.The universe is still a black box, and no one knows whether there is a standard answer in the black box.Fanatics believe there is, and call it "Truth," while others call it Tao, God, a thing in itself, the Absolute Spirit, the Great Spirit...
"Science is an extremely utilitarian science in nature, and it cares more about effectiveness than truth and proof. The reason why science cannot become a religion is because science is actually a methodology that is always iterative. But fanatics cannot accept this. At this point, he still defined his science as the pursuit of truth, and became a fanatical and loyal believer in science." Lie Que said while recalling, "Even Bai Ju admitted to me in private that fanatics are more than He is a wiser scientist. At the same time, he despises fanatics as the stupidest of scientists."
After hearing so much, I still can't help but think that although Baiju belittles fanatics so much, isn't the attitude of exploring the truth exactly what a scientist should have?
-
I then asked Lie Que about his views on fanatics.
"I don't care." Lie Que said, "I respect those outstanding scientists, but once they step into the devil's way, the outstanding scientific talent will turn into a catastrophe. Whether it is a white horse or a fanatic, I will not Let go."
"But now the investigation is in trouble again," I said.
He nodded, "Since it is impossible to directly obtain the secret knowledge corresponding to the dream magic circle in the minds of those demon warlocks through the 'door control', I can only think of other ways. I originally hoped that the warlocks of our Liucheng Security Bureau could It is not possible to analyze the collective dream in reverse, but since it is written by fanatics, it is unlikely to be able to analyze it under our conditions."
I also thought about it.Maybe... just maybe, I actually have a way to solve the "access control"!In other words, although I didn't think of it at first, I actually indirectly saw the scene where the "access control" was resolved.
Then just reenact the scene at that time.
Even if you can't say you have 100% certainty, you can give it a try.
"What if... I know how to fix the 'gate'?" I asked.
"Can you do it?" he asked in surprise.
"Do you remember the bad move?" I asked.
"Remember, you got the information from his memory about spreading the knowledge of Internet demons the night before, and then gave it to me," he said.
"The reason why the security bureau in the past was unable to obtain this kind of information was also because the 'access control' was implanted on the relevant personnel the night before. The reason why the evil move did not have an 'access control' was because his spirit body fused with the devil, causing him to become It's no longer me, and the 'gateway' malfunctioned in the process." I said, "So, we'll just repeat the precondition."
Lie Que's eyes froze, "You want to fuse the demon warlock we captured with the demon?"
"Are there any demons in the Security Bureau? If not, can they be summoned now?" I asked, "If there are no magicians who can summon demons, we can choose one of the demon magicians we captured and force him to summon. "
"I won't talk about the moral and ethical issues contained in your plan, anyway, I won't pay attention to moral and ethical issues in the way of dealing with demon warlocks." He said, "The problem is, let alone the ritual of merging with demons is normal. Warlocks, even real demon warlocks are rarely mastered. Besides, this is demon knowledge, in other words, it is a forbidden technique. It is a pity that our Liucheng Security Bureau does not keep this kind of forbidden knowledge. Your plan cannot be established. "
"No, we have Liucheng Security Bureau." I said.
He frowned, "Where is it? Wait, could it be..."
"To be precise, I have," I said, "in the memory of the succubi and evil tricks I have killed in the past, I have the secret knowledge of how to merge with demons. Although I have been trying to prevent my mind from being polluted. Stored in the Siren Blade, never looked at it carefully, but as long as I..."
"No!" he snapped, "You want to learn about demons? Do you think I will allow it?"
"I just need to bring that knowledge from dream to reality," I said.
"In a dream? You have to enter a dream first to read a memory?" He asked, "How do you bring it into reality?"
"Memorize it first, then return to reality, and then copy it on paper." I said, "Then entrust other people to initiate this ceremony."
"Even if you just understand the meaning of the knowledge, you will be eroded, and you want to memorize it all?" He looked at me with extremely stern eyes, "What do you mean by entrusting others? Who do you want to entrust?"
"Choose one of the demon warlocks captured and let him launch it against his partner." I said.
He asked: "What conditions are you going to use to convince him?"
"Tell him this: If he obeys, let the other law-enforcement warlocks kill him quickly; if he doesn't obey, let me kill him 'slowly'." Of course, this is just intimidation, I won’t really do that, at most, I just take him to a place where his accomplices can’t see. Out of several people, there will always be one who will agree to this condition.”
"You are thoughtful, but I still won't allow it." He said, "Or do you want to degenerate into a demon warlock and be killed by me?"
"It won't become like that." I said, "I have a way to memorize the knowledge of demons without polluting my mind."
(End of this chapter)
"Misunderstanding that science is the pursuit of truth" is the stupidity of fanatics?After hearing this, I was puzzled, and then asked logically, "Isn't science a study of the pursuit of truth?"
"I have already said that this is just Baiju's statement. Or you can also see it as Baiju's violent remarks on science, so there is no need to take it too seriously. Just take this as a premise and continue to listen to me Go on." Lie Que continued, "Let's start answering your question first. When you were a child in Chinese class, did the Chinese teacher tell you that when you describe the laws of nature that scientists have summed up from nature, you can't Scientists 'invented' the laws of nature, but only 'discovered'?"
"Yes." I said.
"However, human beings' summary of the laws of nature did not start in modern times. Human beings have been trying to summarize the laws of nature based on their own experience since ancient times. But looking back at the laws of nature summarized by the ancients from a modern perspective, it is inevitable that people will feel that Far-fetched and full of loopholes. Presumably the ancients would not admit that they were 'inventing' the laws of nature, but do you think the ancients' theories were 'discoveries'?" he asked.
"Of course not," I said.
"Our science has only really developed since modern times. Assuming that human civilization can continue until the [-]s and [-]s, people at that time may look at our theories and feel that they are full of far-fetched and full of flaws. Based on this premise, can you still firmly believe that the laws of nature written in textbooks are discovered rather than invented?" he asked.
I followed his words, "Probably not."
"However, even the future people of the [-]th and [-]th centuries can't say that their theories are discoveries rather than inventions. In fact, when we say 'discovered the laws of nature', we are tacitly implying that there is some kind of unchanging Laws objectively and truly exist in the ever-changing natural world, and the movement of matter is at the mercy of this metaphysical thing." He said, "Therefore, in many science fiction stories, there are things that can modify the laws of nature, or even change them from A weapon that modifies the universe on a mathematical level. Even many fantasy stories like to tell that the strong can comprehend and control a certain way after entering a high level, and then they can influence the world they live in from a metaphysical level. These science fiction and fantasy The story also has a major premise, that is, there is really something beyond matter in the universe that hides behind the scenes and controls the movement of all matter, and sci-fi weapons and fantasy powerhouses can manipulate everything by manipulating them. "
"But does any of this have anything to do with White Horses and Fanatics?" I asked.
"Baiju is a materialist. He thinks that the spirit body and spirituality are just another kind of matter and energy, and he is indifferent to the topic of whether there are metaphysical things that control everything. But fanatics and Bai Ju is different, in our words, he is an idealist, or it is more appropriate to say that he is an 'objective idealist'." He said, "A fanatic believes in those metaphysical things and wants to pursue and contact them. And his method is science. But Bai Ju told him directly in front of him that it is impossible for him to use science to reach that field."
"Why?" I asked.
"If it is said that the 'laws' and 'roads' that exist objectively and truly are the end of human beings' way of summarizing the laws of nature, then it is not an exaggeration to call them truth. But the purpose of science is not truth." He said, "Scientists When summarizing scientific theories, falsifiability is pursued instead of verifiability. Do you know why? Suppose a scientist proposes a theory that cockroaches all over the world are black. In order to prove his theory, he would have to test all the cockroaches in the world one by one. But even if the first [-] million cockroaches he found were all black, others would still be able to question 'maybe the next one will be white'. Because practice is the test The only standard of truth, so in order to defend the correctness of the theory, he can only continue to search."
"Actually, cockroaches that have just molted are white." I said.
"What?" He was stunned for a moment, and then continued, "In short... no matter how many cockroaches there are in the world, it is limited, but the number of test scenarios for scientific theories is close to infinite. And no matter how many times scientists test their theories , compared to the total value close to infinite, it is also close to infinitesimal, which means that any natural law discovered by scientists is actually unverifiable. Therefore, scientists give up the verifiability of the theory and pursue falsifiability.”
He continued, "Falsifiability is testability. If a scientist cannot thoroughly prove his conclusion, he must at least tell others how to test his theory. After other people have tested it and found that it is consistent with the theory, they must tentatively admit the scientist's theory. ...the more times a theory is tested, the more believable it is. A theory that is not falsifiable isn't even science, it's just talking on its own."
After thinking for a while, I said, "According to what you said earlier, isn't it true that we can't even prove the theory that 'a stone thrown up will fall to the ground'?"
"Yes. In fact, any scientific theory we have is suspicious, or unprovable." He said, "However, at least anyone can test such a small thing as a rock falling to the ground, and it has also been tested by astronomical scientists. The number of times at the digital level. Although we still can’t prove it, we can rest assured. And what about those extremely complicated cutting-edge scientific paths that only a very small number of people are qualified to participate in?”
"A fanatic seeks 'confirmation of theory', or 'truth', so science can't meet his needs?" I asked.
"That's right. Besides, if it is the truth, it must stand an infinite number of tests. The problem is that even if the truth is put into his hands, he can't spend an infinite amount of time to test that what he got is indeed true. Truth. After all, mortals cannot truly reach the truth.” He said, “But even so, he still believes in the existence of truth. In fact, it’s not just him, the reason why many scientists believe in God is also the same reason...”
He went on to say: The reason why many scientists believe in God is not because they expect an all-knowing and omnipotent Other behind the scenes of the universe, but because they expect the universe to have a "standard answer."
If the universe is likened to a riddle, and science is a riddle, then the party who guesses the riddle must always believe that the person who made the question has serious thinking and correct answers, so that he will have enough motivation and patience to continue guessing.
Just as qualified puzzles should not be randomly rolled out by face-rolling keyboards, the universe should not be born randomly by accident.How can it be?
The more cutting-edge scientists are, the more they can realize how precarious the theoretical building is, and the nature of science is doomed that no matter how much they guess about the universe, they will not be able to get the truth of the universe, and at most they can only get specious answers.Many scientists started out with curiosity about the world, unable to accept that the universe is actually a subjective comprehensive question that has neither a questioner nor a standard answer.In order to fight against this nothingness, some scientists will become materialists, and some scientists will devote themselves to the field of idealism.
Fanatics believe that the universe is rational, and that the universe is running meticulously in accordance with some eternal and unchanging order that transcends matter.And if you admit that matter only represents matter itself, then it is tantamount to admitting that the universe is actually chaotic, and all order exists only in your own mind.
Although it seems to outsiders that the natural world is really operating as expected by the scientists' theories, in fact, the theories summarized in the past have been overturned countless times, and they will be overturned countless times in the future.The universe is still a black box, and no one knows whether there is a standard answer in the black box.Fanatics believe there is, and call it "Truth," while others call it Tao, God, a thing in itself, the Absolute Spirit, the Great Spirit...
"Science is an extremely utilitarian science in nature, and it cares more about effectiveness than truth and proof. The reason why science cannot become a religion is because science is actually a methodology that is always iterative. But fanatics cannot accept this. At this point, he still defined his science as the pursuit of truth, and became a fanatical and loyal believer in science." Lie Que said while recalling, "Even Bai Ju admitted to me in private that fanatics are more than He is a wiser scientist. At the same time, he despises fanatics as the stupidest of scientists."
After hearing so much, I still can't help but think that although Baiju belittles fanatics so much, isn't the attitude of exploring the truth exactly what a scientist should have?
-
I then asked Lie Que about his views on fanatics.
"I don't care." Lie Que said, "I respect those outstanding scientists, but once they step into the devil's way, the outstanding scientific talent will turn into a catastrophe. Whether it is a white horse or a fanatic, I will not Let go."
"But now the investigation is in trouble again," I said.
He nodded, "Since it is impossible to directly obtain the secret knowledge corresponding to the dream magic circle in the minds of those demon warlocks through the 'door control', I can only think of other ways. I originally hoped that the warlocks of our Liucheng Security Bureau could It is not possible to analyze the collective dream in reverse, but since it is written by fanatics, it is unlikely to be able to analyze it under our conditions."
I also thought about it.Maybe... just maybe, I actually have a way to solve the "access control"!In other words, although I didn't think of it at first, I actually indirectly saw the scene where the "access control" was resolved.
Then just reenact the scene at that time.
Even if you can't say you have 100% certainty, you can give it a try.
"What if... I know how to fix the 'gate'?" I asked.
"Can you do it?" he asked in surprise.
"Do you remember the bad move?" I asked.
"Remember, you got the information from his memory about spreading the knowledge of Internet demons the night before, and then gave it to me," he said.
"The reason why the security bureau in the past was unable to obtain this kind of information was also because the 'access control' was implanted on the relevant personnel the night before. The reason why the evil move did not have an 'access control' was because his spirit body fused with the devil, causing him to become It's no longer me, and the 'gateway' malfunctioned in the process." I said, "So, we'll just repeat the precondition."
Lie Que's eyes froze, "You want to fuse the demon warlock we captured with the demon?"
"Are there any demons in the Security Bureau? If not, can they be summoned now?" I asked, "If there are no magicians who can summon demons, we can choose one of the demon magicians we captured and force him to summon. "
"I won't talk about the moral and ethical issues contained in your plan, anyway, I won't pay attention to moral and ethical issues in the way of dealing with demon warlocks." He said, "The problem is, let alone the ritual of merging with demons is normal. Warlocks, even real demon warlocks are rarely mastered. Besides, this is demon knowledge, in other words, it is a forbidden technique. It is a pity that our Liucheng Security Bureau does not keep this kind of forbidden knowledge. Your plan cannot be established. "
"No, we have Liucheng Security Bureau." I said.
He frowned, "Where is it? Wait, could it be..."
"To be precise, I have," I said, "in the memory of the succubi and evil tricks I have killed in the past, I have the secret knowledge of how to merge with demons. Although I have been trying to prevent my mind from being polluted. Stored in the Siren Blade, never looked at it carefully, but as long as I..."
"No!" he snapped, "You want to learn about demons? Do you think I will allow it?"
"I just need to bring that knowledge from dream to reality," I said.
"In a dream? You have to enter a dream first to read a memory?" He asked, "How do you bring it into reality?"
"Memorize it first, then return to reality, and then copy it on paper." I said, "Then entrust other people to initiate this ceremony."
"Even if you just understand the meaning of the knowledge, you will be eroded, and you want to memorize it all?" He looked at me with extremely stern eyes, "What do you mean by entrusting others? Who do you want to entrust?"
"Choose one of the demon warlocks captured and let him launch it against his partner." I said.
He asked: "What conditions are you going to use to convince him?"
"Tell him this: If he obeys, let the other law-enforcement warlocks kill him quickly; if he doesn't obey, let me kill him 'slowly'." Of course, this is just intimidation, I won’t really do that, at most, I just take him to a place where his accomplices can’t see. Out of several people, there will always be one who will agree to this condition.”
"You are thoughtful, but I still won't allow it." He said, "Or do you want to degenerate into a demon warlock and be killed by me?"
"It won't become like that." I said, "I have a way to memorize the knowledge of demons without polluting my mind."
(End of this chapter)
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