I, compose the 5000 years of China
Chapter 362 "New Youth"... (for subscription)
"The Qing Dynasty is finally over."
"Celebrate together and set off firecrackers."
"It's not easy, it's really not easy."
Strictly speaking.
The early Qing Dynasty was still good.
Kangxi, Yongzheng, Qianlong, these three dynasties performed well.
but.
No matter how good the performance of the early Qing Dynasty was, the series of unequal treaties signed at the end of the Qing Dynasty could completely erase all the achievements of the Qing Dynasty.This is not the case with the Qing Dynasty, it has been the case in all dynasties.Just like the Southern Song Dynasty, no matter how strong the culture and prosperity of the Southern Song Dynasty, no matter how developed the economy.However, when it comes to the Southern Song Dynasty, countless people also have a series of opinions on the Southern Song Dynasty.
Even when the word "Song" is mentioned, many netizens will turn the word "Song" into cowardly.
just.
The excitement didn't last long.
Then, a question appeared in their minds.
"What happened after the end of the Qing Dynasty?"
As soon as this problem came out.
Many fans in the live broadcast room said, "I have to say, it will definitely be better than the Qing Dynasty in the future."
"That is, there have been a series of insightful people in the Qing Dynasty. As long as they are led by these insightful people, China will surely rise slowly."
"Yeah, I think so too."
just.
The reality is not as everyone thinks.
Chen Fan said, "Although the Qing Dynasty is over, the aftermath of the Qing Dynasty may not be as perfect as we imagined. Please think about it, the Qing Dynasty is over. But, has the situation in China changed?"
"not at all."
Chen Fan shook his head and said: "Even if the Qing Dynasty abdicated, China's strength was not strong at that time. Moreover, at this time, all the great powers were still eyeing our China. Even their treaties have not been abolished. That is to say, in China such On one of his territories, he also hosts armies of a series of great powers."
This said.
Everyone gave Gordon a cry.
Yes.
It seems that it is too early to be happy.
Although the Qing Dynasty ended his rule, he left behind a lot of mess.
"It feels like the situation is more complicated than it was when the Qing Dynasty was still there."
"I also feel that it is a difficult question of how new democracies deal with this situation."
"So, how to solve the problem?"
The solution to the problem did not appear.
Chen Fan still shook his head and said: "It turns out that the emperor of the Qing Dynasty abdicated, and the whole of China will usher in a new democratic country. However, among them, there is a minister of the Qing Dynasty named Yuan Shikai. The position of the president. Although some revolutionaries did not support Yuan Shikai, they could only compromise temporarily. Unexpectedly, Yuan Shikai was not satisfied with the position of the president, but he began to amend the constitution step by step. The first step, Yuan Shikai amended the The constitution changed his position as a president for life. Not only that, but later he also stipulated that not only can he be the president himself, but his descendants can also inherit it.”
"In the second step, he started to restore the titles of officials in the feudal period. For example, restoring Jiuqing, Doctor, and other official positions."
After Chen Fan finished speaking, everyone was dumbfounded for a moment.
"It's understandable to make myself the president for life. This is the desire for power. But, what is the purpose of restoring Jiuqing, doctor... and other official positions?"
"not……"
Many people began to have some troubles.
Subsequently.
One person said: "This guy doesn't want to be the emperor himself!!!"
As soon as this sentence came out, the entire live broadcast room was once again a sensation.
For this.
Although Chen Fan didn't watch the live broadcast.
But seeing the expressions of the students at the scene, he also knew what everyone was thinking: "Yes, he just wants to be the emperor."
In fact.
When Yuan Shikai's restoration of the monarchy came out, everyone was dumbfounded.
Many people have never thought that Yuan Shikai actually thought this way.
"Be the emperor yourself."
"To restore the monarchy, this girl actually has such an idea."
"Is this guy out of his mind? What advantage does the monarchy have now?"
Why was the Qing Dynasty so miserably bullied by the great powers.
One of the most important reasons is that the Qing Dynasty was a feudal monarchy.
That is a flaw in the system.
If the time is pushed back a few hundred years, perhaps such thinking is normal.
Because at that time, the idea of democracy had not been spread.
For many people, the monarchy is also deeply rooted in the hearts of the people.
but.
When a group of great powers brought their spears and cannons to show off their power on the land of China, countless people of insight deeply saw the constraints of the imperial system on the country's prosperity.Therefore, at that time, there will be the emergence of the constitutional monarchy faction and the revolutionary faction.And it was under the revolution of these insightful people that the Qing court abdicated.
It stands to reason that Yuan Shikai was the hero who forced the Qing court to abdicate.
He should have seen more deeply that the imperial system cannot win the hearts of the people.
But why, he wants to restore the monarchy?
"Actually, this guy's brain is not flooded, but the title of emperor is too tempting."
"Well, China has been an imperial country for thousands of years. Who doesn't want to be emperor? Although Yuan Shikai forced the Qing court to abdicate, he was originally an official of the Qing court. He naturally covets the position of emperor."
A group of fans continued to discuss.
Chen Fan also agrees with this statement.
He went on to say: "But as I said before, the times are different. Yuan Shikai may be very capable or outstanding. However, his anti-era thinking is destined to be abandoned by the times. When Yuan Shikai ascended the throne and proclaimed himself emperor, , he was opposed by almost all the revolutionaries. A group of people of insight launched a series of uprisings to protect the country. Facing a series of pressure from the outside world, Yuan Shikai was forced to abolish the imperial system. , only 88 days. Not long after, Yuan Shikai also died of uremia."
As said before.
Although the Qing court abdicated, the mess left behind has posed a series of problems for countless people of insight.
Among them, a group of people in power who restored the monarchy like Yuan Shikai appeared.
This undoubtedly put enormous pressure on the newly established regime.
"Mr. Chen Fan, after Yuan Shikai's death, what about our China?"
At this time.
A student stood up and asked again.
unconsciously.
They have already regarded the stories told by Chen Fan as China.
no way.
It's so immersive and so real.
And in the face of the current situation in China, countless people are extremely concerned about the country's future.
"After Yuan Shikai's death, although the regime was still able to maintain itself, it had been divided into various warlord forces. The various forces appeared one after another and controlled them for a period of time. During this period, because the great powers had not been expelled, Even the country is not completely unified, and China is still in great darkness."
of course.
This stage is not without any advantages.
such as.
During the control of the Beiyang regime, China abolished many unequal treaties previously signed with various powers.
This also laid some foundations for the later unification.
But generally speaking, at this stage, the warlords of all walks of life were in a melee.
At the same time, the overall strength of the country is still insufficient, and it is also very difficult to go in terms of foreign relations.
"Due to time constraints, today's class will end here. However, after this class, I will also leave a small homework for the students. In the era of warlords, how should we find a way out for China?"
……
"Mr. Chen Fan left this question too difficult."
"Yeah, such a question, let alone us, I feel that even a group of experts who study international relations may not be able to solve it."
"It feels more complicated than our history, ahhh, I suddenly feel a little lucky."
"Why are you glad?"
"If we were born in China at that time, what would we do?"
This said.
It really made everyone feel deeply.
Like the world they live in now, many people just feel that he is just a simple model.
but.
Teacher Chen Fan's world is simply a hell mode.
"Although we are lucky, we still have to study the topic left by Teacher Chen Fan. After all, if we also encounter such a situation in the future, what can we do?"
"Yes, if we can solve this problem well, then when we encounter these situations in the future, we can also find a new way out."
"But the problem is that this question is really unsolvable."
Many people have not thought about this problem.
But how to solve this problem?
Only God knows.
Or, God doesn't know.
"The internal warlords are fighting, and the external powers are rampant. Excuse me, how can this be solved?"
"Not only that, the mess left by the Qing court has not been completely digested."
"I have some responsibilities, whether such a regime can be maintained. If such a regime does not exist, what will happen to China?"
This is actually an unsolvable problem.
but.
sometimes.
If you don't solve it, then this problem will never be solved.
Fortunately.
China, which has a culture of more than 5000 years, even if he did not give an answer, he gave a group of insightful people the idea to solve the problem.
on the second day.
When Chen Fan started speaking again.
Chen Fan suddenly discovered that there seemed to be a lot of foreign friends who came to the scene today to prepare for the lecture.
"Director Sun, what's going on?"
Chen Fan was a little strange: "Are these foreign teachers from the school?"
"No."
Sun Jun shook his head and said, "These are some officials from abroad."
"Some foreign officials?"
This surprised Chen Fan even more: "They also come to my class?"
"Yes."
"Director Sun, you didn't tell him, am I telling a story?"
"Mr. Chen Fan, don't be surprised. Sometimes there is not much difference between history and stories, just as the history of foreign countries is actually a story for us. And, you know, the world is not so peaceful now. Many countries or region, they have all suffered a series of troubles. And these troubles, they don't know how to break the situation at all."
have to.
Chen Fan understood.
This is to learn from oneself.
This reminded Chen Fan of some countries in his previous life.
Many of their combat concepts and ideas come from China.
……
"Students, I don't know how the problem I assigned yesterday, how did you do?"
Second class.
As soon as Chen Fan started class, he was going to talk about this question with everyone.
Just a pity.
Although many students stood up, the idea of solving the problem was too simple.
"Teacher Chen Fan, I think you should come."
"If we can figure it out, we can probably send me to be a diplomat."
Everyone below laughed.
"In this case, I can only continue to tell the story."
There was no extra words, Chen Fan started to solve the problem.
of course.
This problem cannot be solved in one or two sentences.
After thinking about it, Chen Fan said, "Then let's start with Peking University."
"Peking University?"
All the students were taken aback: "What does this have to do with Peking University?"
"Of course there is a relationship, and a very big relationship."
Chen Fan said: "After the end of the Qing Dynasty, even though the warlords fought in chaos, it was rare for a period of time to be clean. At that time, there was a man named Cai Yuanpei, who served as the president of Peking University. Unlike other presidents, Cai Yuanpei was the president of Peking University. At that time, he paid great attention to the ideological education of all the students. At the same time, he was inclusive of all kinds of people in hiring teachers. Among these people, there were Chen Zhongfu, Hu Shi, and Li Dazhao who were more active in thinking. ... and others, likewise, there are Gu Hongming, Huang Kan and others who are conservative in their thinking."
"Among them, Chen Zhongfu stood out. In his early years, Chen Zhongfu was born in the late Qing Dynasty. He also participated in the scientific examination, but failed. Later, Chen Zhongfu accepted a lot of advanced culture, and then he went to Japan to study. After returning to China, he was at that time A large magazine "Jia Yin" published a lot of very thoughtful articles. After Cai Yuanpei became the president, Cai Yuanpei hired Chen Zhongfu as the dean of liberal arts at Peking University, and later founded the "New Youth" magazine."
"After Chen Zhongfu served as the dean of liberal arts at Peking University, he also met many people of insight. Afterwards, New Youth moved to Beishi. Also because of Peking University as a position, after that, New Youth published many All kinds of ideological articles. These articles not only broadened the horizons of the public, but also brought great inspiration to a series of insightful people. At the same time, it is precisely because of "New Youth" that truly awakened The sleeping China has truly liberated the minds of countless Chinese people."
Chen Zhongfu is naturally a person who has to be mentioned.
same.
The magazine "New Youth" he founded is also an extremely important work in modern history.
"Maybe, everyone will have some doubts, thinking that it is impossible for a magazine to have such a big influence. Here I am quoting what Mr. Chen Zhongfu said. He mentioned in a speech at Peking University why the country fell into this situation. He gave examples from the Qing Dynasty to the The various changes at this time, why the Qing court was bullied, many people think that this is because the equipment is not as advanced as foreign countries. However, after the Qing court began to learn advanced Western technology, why was it still bullied by the big powers? Could it be that the Qing court was really Can’t they beat them? Later, some people analyzed that it’s because the system is not as good as the West.”
"This makes sense. The Qing court was a feudal autocracy, so it is naturally inferior to the West. However, after the Qing court ended its rule, the country has established a relatively democratic country, which is equivalent to changing to a brand new system. Then , until now, why is China still in a state of war between warlords? Could it be that this system is not as good as the West? "
"Regarding this, Chen Zhongfu believes that China is inferior to the West. Maybe the equipment is inferior to them at the beginning, and the system is inferior to them later. However, these are not the real reasons. The real reason is that the Chinese people have not awakened their minds."
"Under the oppression of the feudal monarchy for thousands of years, many people's thoughts have not been enlightened. To save the country, we must find a prescription for the current country and find a correct path for the country. First of all, we should Emancipate the mind. Because of this, a series of articles published by the young people of insight set off a huge wave of emancipating the mind in China at that time. In such a wave, people learned two words , one is democracy, the other is science..."
"Celebrate together and set off firecrackers."
"It's not easy, it's really not easy."
Strictly speaking.
The early Qing Dynasty was still good.
Kangxi, Yongzheng, Qianlong, these three dynasties performed well.
but.
No matter how good the performance of the early Qing Dynasty was, the series of unequal treaties signed at the end of the Qing Dynasty could completely erase all the achievements of the Qing Dynasty.This is not the case with the Qing Dynasty, it has been the case in all dynasties.Just like the Southern Song Dynasty, no matter how strong the culture and prosperity of the Southern Song Dynasty, no matter how developed the economy.However, when it comes to the Southern Song Dynasty, countless people also have a series of opinions on the Southern Song Dynasty.
Even when the word "Song" is mentioned, many netizens will turn the word "Song" into cowardly.
just.
The excitement didn't last long.
Then, a question appeared in their minds.
"What happened after the end of the Qing Dynasty?"
As soon as this problem came out.
Many fans in the live broadcast room said, "I have to say, it will definitely be better than the Qing Dynasty in the future."
"That is, there have been a series of insightful people in the Qing Dynasty. As long as they are led by these insightful people, China will surely rise slowly."
"Yeah, I think so too."
just.
The reality is not as everyone thinks.
Chen Fan said, "Although the Qing Dynasty is over, the aftermath of the Qing Dynasty may not be as perfect as we imagined. Please think about it, the Qing Dynasty is over. But, has the situation in China changed?"
"not at all."
Chen Fan shook his head and said: "Even if the Qing Dynasty abdicated, China's strength was not strong at that time. Moreover, at this time, all the great powers were still eyeing our China. Even their treaties have not been abolished. That is to say, in China such On one of his territories, he also hosts armies of a series of great powers."
This said.
Everyone gave Gordon a cry.
Yes.
It seems that it is too early to be happy.
Although the Qing Dynasty ended his rule, he left behind a lot of mess.
"It feels like the situation is more complicated than it was when the Qing Dynasty was still there."
"I also feel that it is a difficult question of how new democracies deal with this situation."
"So, how to solve the problem?"
The solution to the problem did not appear.
Chen Fan still shook his head and said: "It turns out that the emperor of the Qing Dynasty abdicated, and the whole of China will usher in a new democratic country. However, among them, there is a minister of the Qing Dynasty named Yuan Shikai. The position of the president. Although some revolutionaries did not support Yuan Shikai, they could only compromise temporarily. Unexpectedly, Yuan Shikai was not satisfied with the position of the president, but he began to amend the constitution step by step. The first step, Yuan Shikai amended the The constitution changed his position as a president for life. Not only that, but later he also stipulated that not only can he be the president himself, but his descendants can also inherit it.”
"In the second step, he started to restore the titles of officials in the feudal period. For example, restoring Jiuqing, Doctor, and other official positions."
After Chen Fan finished speaking, everyone was dumbfounded for a moment.
"It's understandable to make myself the president for life. This is the desire for power. But, what is the purpose of restoring Jiuqing, doctor... and other official positions?"
"not……"
Many people began to have some troubles.
Subsequently.
One person said: "This guy doesn't want to be the emperor himself!!!"
As soon as this sentence came out, the entire live broadcast room was once again a sensation.
For this.
Although Chen Fan didn't watch the live broadcast.
But seeing the expressions of the students at the scene, he also knew what everyone was thinking: "Yes, he just wants to be the emperor."
In fact.
When Yuan Shikai's restoration of the monarchy came out, everyone was dumbfounded.
Many people have never thought that Yuan Shikai actually thought this way.
"Be the emperor yourself."
"To restore the monarchy, this girl actually has such an idea."
"Is this guy out of his mind? What advantage does the monarchy have now?"
Why was the Qing Dynasty so miserably bullied by the great powers.
One of the most important reasons is that the Qing Dynasty was a feudal monarchy.
That is a flaw in the system.
If the time is pushed back a few hundred years, perhaps such thinking is normal.
Because at that time, the idea of democracy had not been spread.
For many people, the monarchy is also deeply rooted in the hearts of the people.
but.
When a group of great powers brought their spears and cannons to show off their power on the land of China, countless people of insight deeply saw the constraints of the imperial system on the country's prosperity.Therefore, at that time, there will be the emergence of the constitutional monarchy faction and the revolutionary faction.And it was under the revolution of these insightful people that the Qing court abdicated.
It stands to reason that Yuan Shikai was the hero who forced the Qing court to abdicate.
He should have seen more deeply that the imperial system cannot win the hearts of the people.
But why, he wants to restore the monarchy?
"Actually, this guy's brain is not flooded, but the title of emperor is too tempting."
"Well, China has been an imperial country for thousands of years. Who doesn't want to be emperor? Although Yuan Shikai forced the Qing court to abdicate, he was originally an official of the Qing court. He naturally covets the position of emperor."
A group of fans continued to discuss.
Chen Fan also agrees with this statement.
He went on to say: "But as I said before, the times are different. Yuan Shikai may be very capable or outstanding. However, his anti-era thinking is destined to be abandoned by the times. When Yuan Shikai ascended the throne and proclaimed himself emperor, , he was opposed by almost all the revolutionaries. A group of people of insight launched a series of uprisings to protect the country. Facing a series of pressure from the outside world, Yuan Shikai was forced to abolish the imperial system. , only 88 days. Not long after, Yuan Shikai also died of uremia."
As said before.
Although the Qing court abdicated, the mess left behind has posed a series of problems for countless people of insight.
Among them, a group of people in power who restored the monarchy like Yuan Shikai appeared.
This undoubtedly put enormous pressure on the newly established regime.
"Mr. Chen Fan, after Yuan Shikai's death, what about our China?"
At this time.
A student stood up and asked again.
unconsciously.
They have already regarded the stories told by Chen Fan as China.
no way.
It's so immersive and so real.
And in the face of the current situation in China, countless people are extremely concerned about the country's future.
"After Yuan Shikai's death, although the regime was still able to maintain itself, it had been divided into various warlord forces. The various forces appeared one after another and controlled them for a period of time. During this period, because the great powers had not been expelled, Even the country is not completely unified, and China is still in great darkness."
of course.
This stage is not without any advantages.
such as.
During the control of the Beiyang regime, China abolished many unequal treaties previously signed with various powers.
This also laid some foundations for the later unification.
But generally speaking, at this stage, the warlords of all walks of life were in a melee.
At the same time, the overall strength of the country is still insufficient, and it is also very difficult to go in terms of foreign relations.
"Due to time constraints, today's class will end here. However, after this class, I will also leave a small homework for the students. In the era of warlords, how should we find a way out for China?"
……
"Mr. Chen Fan left this question too difficult."
"Yeah, such a question, let alone us, I feel that even a group of experts who study international relations may not be able to solve it."
"It feels more complicated than our history, ahhh, I suddenly feel a little lucky."
"Why are you glad?"
"If we were born in China at that time, what would we do?"
This said.
It really made everyone feel deeply.
Like the world they live in now, many people just feel that he is just a simple model.
but.
Teacher Chen Fan's world is simply a hell mode.
"Although we are lucky, we still have to study the topic left by Teacher Chen Fan. After all, if we also encounter such a situation in the future, what can we do?"
"Yes, if we can solve this problem well, then when we encounter these situations in the future, we can also find a new way out."
"But the problem is that this question is really unsolvable."
Many people have not thought about this problem.
But how to solve this problem?
Only God knows.
Or, God doesn't know.
"The internal warlords are fighting, and the external powers are rampant. Excuse me, how can this be solved?"
"Not only that, the mess left by the Qing court has not been completely digested."
"I have some responsibilities, whether such a regime can be maintained. If such a regime does not exist, what will happen to China?"
This is actually an unsolvable problem.
but.
sometimes.
If you don't solve it, then this problem will never be solved.
Fortunately.
China, which has a culture of more than 5000 years, even if he did not give an answer, he gave a group of insightful people the idea to solve the problem.
on the second day.
When Chen Fan started speaking again.
Chen Fan suddenly discovered that there seemed to be a lot of foreign friends who came to the scene today to prepare for the lecture.
"Director Sun, what's going on?"
Chen Fan was a little strange: "Are these foreign teachers from the school?"
"No."
Sun Jun shook his head and said, "These are some officials from abroad."
"Some foreign officials?"
This surprised Chen Fan even more: "They also come to my class?"
"Yes."
"Director Sun, you didn't tell him, am I telling a story?"
"Mr. Chen Fan, don't be surprised. Sometimes there is not much difference between history and stories, just as the history of foreign countries is actually a story for us. And, you know, the world is not so peaceful now. Many countries or region, they have all suffered a series of troubles. And these troubles, they don't know how to break the situation at all."
have to.
Chen Fan understood.
This is to learn from oneself.
This reminded Chen Fan of some countries in his previous life.
Many of their combat concepts and ideas come from China.
……
"Students, I don't know how the problem I assigned yesterday, how did you do?"
Second class.
As soon as Chen Fan started class, he was going to talk about this question with everyone.
Just a pity.
Although many students stood up, the idea of solving the problem was too simple.
"Teacher Chen Fan, I think you should come."
"If we can figure it out, we can probably send me to be a diplomat."
Everyone below laughed.
"In this case, I can only continue to tell the story."
There was no extra words, Chen Fan started to solve the problem.
of course.
This problem cannot be solved in one or two sentences.
After thinking about it, Chen Fan said, "Then let's start with Peking University."
"Peking University?"
All the students were taken aback: "What does this have to do with Peking University?"
"Of course there is a relationship, and a very big relationship."
Chen Fan said: "After the end of the Qing Dynasty, even though the warlords fought in chaos, it was rare for a period of time to be clean. At that time, there was a man named Cai Yuanpei, who served as the president of Peking University. Unlike other presidents, Cai Yuanpei was the president of Peking University. At that time, he paid great attention to the ideological education of all the students. At the same time, he was inclusive of all kinds of people in hiring teachers. Among these people, there were Chen Zhongfu, Hu Shi, and Li Dazhao who were more active in thinking. ... and others, likewise, there are Gu Hongming, Huang Kan and others who are conservative in their thinking."
"Among them, Chen Zhongfu stood out. In his early years, Chen Zhongfu was born in the late Qing Dynasty. He also participated in the scientific examination, but failed. Later, Chen Zhongfu accepted a lot of advanced culture, and then he went to Japan to study. After returning to China, he was at that time A large magazine "Jia Yin" published a lot of very thoughtful articles. After Cai Yuanpei became the president, Cai Yuanpei hired Chen Zhongfu as the dean of liberal arts at Peking University, and later founded the "New Youth" magazine."
"After Chen Zhongfu served as the dean of liberal arts at Peking University, he also met many people of insight. Afterwards, New Youth moved to Beishi. Also because of Peking University as a position, after that, New Youth published many All kinds of ideological articles. These articles not only broadened the horizons of the public, but also brought great inspiration to a series of insightful people. At the same time, it is precisely because of "New Youth" that truly awakened The sleeping China has truly liberated the minds of countless Chinese people."
Chen Zhongfu is naturally a person who has to be mentioned.
same.
The magazine "New Youth" he founded is also an extremely important work in modern history.
"Maybe, everyone will have some doubts, thinking that it is impossible for a magazine to have such a big influence. Here I am quoting what Mr. Chen Zhongfu said. He mentioned in a speech at Peking University why the country fell into this situation. He gave examples from the Qing Dynasty to the The various changes at this time, why the Qing court was bullied, many people think that this is because the equipment is not as advanced as foreign countries. However, after the Qing court began to learn advanced Western technology, why was it still bullied by the big powers? Could it be that the Qing court was really Can’t they beat them? Later, some people analyzed that it’s because the system is not as good as the West.”
"This makes sense. The Qing court was a feudal autocracy, so it is naturally inferior to the West. However, after the Qing court ended its rule, the country has established a relatively democratic country, which is equivalent to changing to a brand new system. Then , until now, why is China still in a state of war between warlords? Could it be that this system is not as good as the West? "
"Regarding this, Chen Zhongfu believes that China is inferior to the West. Maybe the equipment is inferior to them at the beginning, and the system is inferior to them later. However, these are not the real reasons. The real reason is that the Chinese people have not awakened their minds."
"Under the oppression of the feudal monarchy for thousands of years, many people's thoughts have not been enlightened. To save the country, we must find a prescription for the current country and find a correct path for the country. First of all, we should Emancipate the mind. Because of this, a series of articles published by the young people of insight set off a huge wave of emancipating the mind in China at that time. In such a wave, people learned two words , one is democracy, the other is science..."
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